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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    This post is making me wonder if I'm really an ENFJ. I mean, someone saying the word "hat" would not conjure up that many images at once. Also, I have some problems with Bluewing's ENFP profile (and perhaps others?) which said that enfp's involuntarily submit to authority. I make it a point to question the legitamacy of any authority. But I do suck the life out of something and then just move on- and I'm unequivically scatterbrained. I'm going to have to mull this over.
    If BlueWing said that then it was either a misunderstanding or he's way off. ENTP is the type least likely to submit to authority. I don't believe ENFP is much different. In fact I think ENFP is most likely to be the "Rage Against The Machine"/"Stick It To The Man" activist type.
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    LMFAO... Into it, you sound like a total ENFP... you know the saying: Takes one to know one.

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    Into It, you'll learn to take BW's posts with a dose of salt pretty quickly I think, if you but browse his "back issues" for half an hour...

    To say ENFP's automatically submit to authority's the biggest crock I ever heard.
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    Ne is best used for finding inconsistencies, contradictions, hypocritical things.

    Michael Moore's movie "Bowling for Columbine" is a good example of Ne being used.

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    XNFP's tend to hate beaurocrasy.

    anyway, they way i see Ne is the world is full of possiblities. anything can be linked. for example, if you think of an object all of the sudden you are flooded with images and ideas and such. ya that example but all of those ideas and images are linked in some way, though the links may seem trivial

    idk thats how I see it

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    If BlueWing said that then it was either a misunderstanding or he's way off. ENTP is the type least likely to submit to authority. I don't believe ENFP is much different. In fact I think ENFP is most likely to be the "Rage Against The Machine"/"Stick It To The Man" activist type.
    I have seen in a few places where they to tend to be submissive. Usually to friends, but sometimes to authority as well. Like here:ENFP Profile

    Perhaps the combination of introverted Feeling and childlike introverted Sensing is responsible for the silent pull of ENFPs to the wishes of parents, authority figures and friends. Or perhaps it's the predominance of indecisive intuition in combination with the ambiguity of secondary Fi and tertiary Te that induces these kind souls to capitulate even life-affecting decisions. Whatever the dynamic, ENFPs are strongly influenced by the opinions of their friends.

    Maybe that's what was being thought of regarding "submission"?
    After all, they are considered "cooperative" (do what's right) rather than "pragmatic" (do what works). It's when a value is violated that they go against authority.
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    Whilst I know at least one female ENFP who gives into a very unreasonable and selfish husband far too often and sees it as her duty in life to make him happy even at her own expense, I also know my brother who has been singularly unable to hold down a single job in his entire life for more than six months before either being fired or walking out exactly because he would not submit to or respect authority.

    I think the crucial deciding factor might be that in the case of the woman, she has CHOSEN the guy, chosen to have him 'over' her (no pun intended), to have him in her life - that particular guy. She's given him the authority over her, so she's willing to give way. Whereas my brother didn't get to choose the particular people who were in authority over him, he didn't GIVE them the authority, they just assumed it because of external circumstances. So he didn't see it as valid or even existent.
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    Interesting point. That, again, probably ties into the parent Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sakuraba View Post
    Michael Moore's movie "Bowling for Columbine" is a good example of Ne being used.
    ... and, as a tangent, probably not being supported by Ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    ... and, as a tangent, probably not being supported by Ti.
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