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    thanks so much for this post, i'm going to study what you wrote. i really need it, i have to change jobs and i need to make some choices
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    Hey fellow ENFP's

    I'm a newbie to this forum but I'm so glad I found this thread as my main issue has always been what job to take next and although I always identify with the suggested careers/jobs suggested by profiles it's just so goddamn hard to choose one as a main career path etc!

    For anyone who hasn't already come across Barbara Sher and specifically her book - Refuse To Choose (or sometimes 'What do I do when I want to do Everything?) I would highly recommend it - if only to see in print what you've always suspected about yourself and hated justifying to everyone in your life!

    Basically as an ENFP I really identify with her 'Scanner' identity...

    Are You A Scanner?
    Is this you?

    * Are you fascinated by something different every week?
    * Does the thought of concentrating on one topic, skill or job for the rest of your life horrify you?
    * Do you start lots of projects but rarely finish any of them?
    * Does trying to choose between all your interests stress you out?
    * Are you currently reading 5, 10 or even more books?

    Then you are a �scanner�.

    The term was chosen by US life and careers coach Barbara Sher and written about in her recent book �What Do I Do When I Want to Do Everything? - A revolutionary program for doing everything that you love�.

    I'm by no means an expert from what I've read so far about ENFP I really think we are scanners! The great thing about this book is that there isn't just one type of scanner - in fact there are about 6 or 7 but the one I most definitely clicked with is the 'Jack of all Trades' as my main goal in life is just to be happy

    I don't know bout the rest of you but I just have way too many interests/ideas/obsessions to just pick one and become an expert - it always feels like you're missing out if you pick one over another.

    I'm definitely pleased that I've tried so many of my different interests out as income providers and I think that the only way forward for me is to have what I guess you could call a portfolio career - a few different income streams, all of which I love and would give me the variety and fulfillment that have always been my top priorities in working life and also let me keep my other interests as things I just do for me for fun.

    One of the best things about the book was the notion that you don;t have to make a living from all your interests - just figure out which ones need to fill your day and ideally bring in the mula and keep the rest for enjoyment only.

    Anyway, I've already written way more than I ever intended - I guess i find it easier to ramble on when it's something I'm interested in as opposed to talking about myself specifically.

    Any thoughts on this? Anyone identify with ideas here or have read the book etc?

    Would love to hear your thoughts!

    Scanner/Make-up artist/Astrologer/Cupcake maker-Seller/cook/watercolour painter/artist/counsellor/careworker/go-to girl/organiser extraordinaire/administrator/system creator/teacher

    PS Just found this link which might help anyone who wants a bit more info or starting point to learn more!

    Are You a Scanner? By Barbara Sher

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    thank you to you as well for this post. this is my dilemma: I'm "playing" the scientist and i love the mental challenge, but i hate that i have to do very precise and repetitive stuff and i keep on sabotaging my experiments (trying to change "just a little bit" to see what happens" when i should be doing perfect replica. eergh). but my passion is music and sometimes i wonder if i should do that instead. but then again, maybe it wouldn't make me feel complete.
    the problem is i don't want to be a specialist at anything, because i like different things and i am the most motivated when i can do 3-4 things in the day (like something that is mentally stimulating + music + something connected to people and helping them/political stuff). but at the same time i want to excel at what i do. difficult. if anyone has an answer or clue for this riddle, please let me know!!!

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    Ha! I have 4 years of research experience at 2 Universities. Science is well suited to ENFPs because it's cerebral and looks to the unknown. Personally, I'm far more an artist than a scientist. My greatest joy in life is music, painting, and dancing, but I wouldn't want to do it for a living. Being a physician is a happy medium. It's science, art, and service. Best of all, I get to do art not out of necessity (to make money), but out of desire and love. I can also do research on the side. Win-win.



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    I work as a dog walker right now but I'm taking classes to become a film maker. My ideal career would be acting, though.

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    A few that I know:
    1. In medical school on way to becoming a dermatologist
    2. Gets a different job every couple of years - has done everything from sales to working in hospice to teaching; always working but never stays anywhere for long
    3. Information security consultant
    4. Administrative assistant

    1, 3 and 4 seemed to like what they are doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleanCuteNFP View Post
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    So you're gunna do all that work in medical school, residency, etc., and then you're not even gunna work as a doctor?

    And that's not even to mention the debt you've probably accumulated...

    Honestly, *this* is my problem with the ENFP mind...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post


    So you're gunna do all that work in medical school, residency, etc., and then you're not even gunna work as a doctor?

    And that's not even to mention the debt you've probably accumulated...

    Honestly, *this* is my problem with the ENFP mind...
    I think that's the catch here. I was lucky to get a full tuition merit based scholarship, so I never saw the need to go into the field to make money. I will be only $15,000 in debt after school, which can easily be paid off during my intern year. Secondly, what's wrong with only working one day a week to pay the bills? My friend does it and he makes 72,000 after taxes.

    Personally, I wouldn't even know what to do with 72,000 dollars. That is an insane amount of money.

    I think the scanner article was pretty right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CleanCuteNFP View Post
    I think that's the catch here. I was lucky to get a full tuition merit based scholarship, so I never saw the need to go into the field to make money. I will be only $15,000 in debt after school, which can easily be paid off during my intern year.
    Oh, well, if that's the case, then who cares.

    That's pretty awesome.

    Congrats

    Quote Originally Posted by CleanCuteNFP View Post
    Secondly, what's wrong with only working one day a week to pay the bills? My friend does it and he makes 72,000 after taxes.
    Oh, that's not anything I had an issue with.

    Frankly, I didn't fully understand the potential for doing so.

    Where does he work to be able to do something like that?

    Quote Originally Posted by CleanCuteNFP View Post
    Personally, I wouldn't even know what to do with 72,000 dollars.
    I believe they found that $80,000 is the point where making more money doesn't bring you any more happiness.

    That the tradeoffs required to make more tend to outweigh the benefits.

    This situation sounds a little different, but hell, I'd gladly take the 6 days of leisure.

    Quote Originally Posted by CleanCuteNFP View Post
    That is an insane amount of money.
    Eh, I wouldn't go that far.

    Take taxes out, the need to save for retirement, rent, car, food, bills, and you'll get to zero quicker than you think.


    ETA: Just noticed that it was after taxes. Yeah, $72,000 after taxes will afford you a nice lifestyle. Nothing insane, but definitely nice.

    But, if you don't mind my asking, how does one go about getting a full merit-based scholarship to med school?

    Despite having a good number of friends who have gotten their MD, I'm not very familiar with the process.

    What incentive do they have to give it to you, and what do you have to have done to get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    thank you to you as well for this post. this is my dilemma: I'm "playing" the scientist and i love the mental challenge, but i hate that i have to do very precise and repetitive stuff and i keep on sabotaging my experiments (trying to change "just a little bit" to see what happens" when i should be doing perfect replica. eergh). but my passion is music and sometimes i wonder if i should do that instead. but then again, maybe it wouldn't make me feel complete.
    the problem is i don't want to be a specialist at anything, because i like different things and i am the most motivated when i can do 3-4 things in the day (like something that is mentally stimulating + music + something connected to people and helping them/political stuff). but at the same time i want to excel at what i do. difficult. if anyone has an answer or clue for this riddle, please let me know!!!
    haha, at your science pain. (Alas, I ruined many a science experiment myself, thus I feel empathy for you. My four years in grad school basically really only resulted in a very productive tomato garden with lots of flowers the whole time, cause my crystals wouldnt grow.) Few ENFPs stay in the lab. Typically they are personable enough that they leave the lab after a short time and can move into careers in Sales, Support, Product Management, Project Management, Training, Business Analysis or Marketing. All of these paths can lead to positions in management, which seems to suck and be stupid, except that in management you can make all of your ideas about how to make your products better and customers more satisfied become realities.

    In all of these career paths, you can do very different types of things all day long, thus you avoid the boredom of doing the same crap over and over again.

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    those would actually be good ideas (thank you) if hearing words like "product" or "sales" didn't make me cringe. it's my anti-capitalism morals talking....so......still i don't see an alternative to lab life...
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    haha, at your science pain. (Alas, I ruined many a science experiment myself, thus I feel empathy for you. My four years in grad school basically really only resulted in a very productive tomato garden with lots of flowers the whole time, cause my crystals wouldnt grow.) Few ENFPs stay in the lab. Typically they are personable enough that they leave the lab after a short time and can move into careers in Sales, Support, Product Management, Project Management, Training, Business Analysis or Marketing. All of these paths can lead to positions in management, which seems to suck and be stupid, except that in management you can make all of your ideas about how to make your products better and customers more satisfied become realities.

    In all of these career paths, you can do very different types of things all day long, thus you avoid the boredom of doing the same crap over and over again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Despite having a good number of friends who have gotten their MD, I'm not very familiar with the process.

    What incentive do they have to give it to you, and what do you have to have done to get it?
    First off Zara, I am so, so, so sorry for the super late reply. I didn't know someone replied to me. So here is what you are looking for. My friend that barely works is what we call a locums physician. He gets flown over to various cities once or twice a week to work one shift in their ER. There are many physicians that do that. The demand is that high. He works mainly in the mountain west.

    Now regards to scholarship to medical school. Yes you are very right, it is extremly difficult to get and there is a factor of luck to it. The biggest ticket for getting a merit based scholarship are an extremely high MCAT (37/45 or above). The next is having excellent leadershipand volunteer experience on your resume. Luckily I had both. I got a tutoring job on accident at the Uni in undergrad. I tutored Chem, Bio, Physics, Physical chemistry, and Biochemistry for 3 years before taking the MCAT. I didn't reaize this, but turns out, there is only so many ways you can ask a redox reaction question. So if you have covered the material over and over again for three years, you don't have to study at all for the MCAT and you will still destroy it. So my luck at getting a job, gave me an excellent MCAT. I am no smarter than your average college student, but practice makes perfect.

    Next is volunteerism. My mom always made us volunteer as kids. We were always the ones to clean up after pot lucks etc.... I found stuff that I loved doing for fun and volunteered in that. My main thing was working with kids doing sport and after school programs. I loved the work i did so much, I was admnisterating over 50 volunteers and 500 children. So the catch is find what you love and do that. That way, your work will be good and meaningful.

    When I applied to my state school, they realized that I could apply to other places and get accepted there as well so they offered me a full free ride. What they didn't know is I only applied to them because my family was too broke to fill out the rest of the apps for other schools. So in a way, they got jipped. THey thought I would surely run away.

    If you have more questions, feel free to PM me and I can give you my cell number so we can chat better that way.

    Take care man, and again super sorry for the crappy/late reply.

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