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    Quote Originally Posted by hathor_sekhmet View Post
    Then your statement that it would be better for "one" to turn elsewhere than the INFP for quality long-term friendship/partnership is false. I've already pointed out why. I think real-life experience in relationships trumps abstract theory when it comes to real-life relationships..
    Abstract theory is what describes all of our ideas. There is nothing in our experiences that could not be computed into a theory. You either explain how your experiences lead to relevant insights (make a theory), or drop it. (Or of course, declare yourself unreasonable where you wont have to explain anything)

    Quote Originally Posted by hathor_sekhmet View Post
    Then your statement that it would be better for "one" to turn elsewhere than the INFP for quality long-term friendship/partnership is false. I've already pointed out why. I think real-life experience in relationships trumps abstract theory when it comes to real-life relationships..
    Recapitulate for me, I must have missed where you did this.
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    hah, I did post after yours
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    I have a very close (probably too close?) INFP male friend that I've known since grade 9 that is the epitome of sexiness (according to everyone from ESTP volleyball teammate to ENFJ new friend to INTP high school friend). ENFP male friend can't figure out why the INFP hasn't had a million girlfriends as every girl he meets always asks questions about the INFP.

    Would it work with a xxTJ female and a very xxFP withdrawn male? I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Abstract theory is what describes all of our ideas. There is nothing in our experiences that could not be computed into a theory. You either explain how your experiences lead to relevant insights (make a theory), or drop it. (Or of course, declare yourself unreasonable where you wont have to explain anything)



    Recapitulate for me, I must have missed where you did this.
    My theory: Many INFPs make great long-term friends or partners for some people. Not all people, of course, but some people. And not all INFPs do, because of course there are unhealthy examples of the type.

    I've built this theory around my experiences of being a great long-term friend for several people.

    What do I mean by "great friend"?

    I agree with your assertion that INFPs are useful for our ability to navigate emotional waters. I have helped my friends through many tricky emotional situations and continue to do so. Even if they treat me unfairly, I am always there for them when they need me. Perhaps you do not require or value such support, but there are people who do.

    My Fi does not turn me into a flighty fool whom no one can ever respect. Perhaps it is true that I am loyal and supportive because it makes me feel good about myself (I suspect that's partly true for anyone), but does that change the fact that I make a good long-term friend or potential partner? I'd say no, it does not change that fact.

    It's very easy for us to compromise on this, actually. Just retract the statement that implies that INFPs would not be a good long-term friend or partner for ANYONE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hathor_sekhmet View Post
    My theory: Many INFPs make great long-term friends or partners for some people. Not all people, of course, but some people. And not all INFPs do, because of course there are unhealthy examples of the type.

    I've built this theory around my experiences of being a great long-term friend for several people.

    What do I mean by "great friend"?

    I agree with your assertion that INFPs are useful for our ability to navigate emotional waters. I have helped my friends through many tricky emotional situations and continue to do so. Even if they treat me unfairly, I am always there for them when they need me. Perhaps you do not require or value such support, but there are people who do.

    My Fi does not turn me into a flighty fool whom no one can ever respect. Perhaps it is true that I am loyal and supportive because it makes me feel good about myself (I suspect that's partly true for anyone), but does that change the fact that I make a good long-term friend or potential partner? I'd say no, it does not change that fact.

    It's very easy for us to compromise on this, actually. Just retract the statement that implies that INFPs would not be a good long-term friend or partner for ANYONE.
    Indeed, I have listed certain kinds of people who may appreciate the INFP. This claim is incompatible with the proposition that noone would regard them as a worthwhile friend/partner. This is a claim that I did not make. Though, a general, sound functioning person ought not to.

    As we have listed before,

    1)People who need emotional support and have a dependency problem.
    2)Domineering Thinkers.
    3)Severely emotionally retarded Thinkers.

    These groups include a very small portion of the psychologically HEALTHY populace.
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    Seriously though Blue Wing, why do you hate INFPs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    Seriously though Blue Wing, why do you hate INFPs?
    Why ask for an explanation from the author himself.

    I often have value disagreements with INFPs due to the similar mental mechanism but different decision maker (T/F), yet I tend to appreciate those of the type greatly. For example, many of my favorite musicians are INFP.

    By the way, I said I don't usually find INFPs sexy earlier, but if Feist is, and it's certainly possible, then nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Indeed, I have listed certain kinds of people who may appreciate the INFP. This claim is incompatible with the proposition that noone would regard them as a worthwhile friend/partner. This is a claim that I did not make. Though, a general, sound functioning person ought not to.

    As we have listed before,

    1)People who need emotional support and have a dependency problem.
    2)Domineering Thinkers.
    3)Severely emotionally retarded Thinkers.

    These groups include a very small portion of the psychologically HEALTHY populace.

    Well, I still don't agree with that.

    I'll moderate my theory, then:

    Many INFPs make good long-term friends or partners for some sound, functioning people.

    Everyone goes through emotional turmoil sometimes, even sound, functioning people who are usually not dependent. This is where the INFP comes especially in handy. In times other than emotional turmoil, INFPs can be fun people to just BS with. So we make good long-term friends or partners for those who appreciate a shoulder to lean on in times of emotional hardship, but who also enjoy playing around. Because we ARE playful. So no sound, functioning person wants that or should want that?

    Damn, I should have known better than to fall into the trap that is Internet debate. I'm sorry for cluttering up this thread. I just think it's BS that no one's calling BlueWing out for this nonsense.

    Yes, BlueWing, please tell us what INFP stabbed you in the back and left you in a ditch. We can all hate the specific person together instead of slinging mud on everyone of the same type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hathor_sekhmet View Post
    Well, I still don't agree with that.

    I'll moderate my theory, then:

    Many INFPs make good long-term friends or partners for some sound, functioning people.

    Everyone goes through emotional turmoil sometimes, even sound, functioning people who are usually not dependent. This is where the INFP comes especially in handy. In times other than emotional turmoil, INFPs can be fun people to just BS with. So we make good long-term friends or partners for those who appreciate a shoulder to lean on in times of emotional hardship, but who also enjoy playing around. Because we ARE playful. So no sound, functioning person wants that or should want that?

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    So, all the INFP will bring to the long term relationship is occassional emotional support (since it is only needed on occassion) and silly banter? Great contributions those are, are they not? Definitely enough to qualify the INFP as a member of a profound long term relationship. Will definitely respect someone a great deal who brings to the table only banter and occassional support, yet is completely without merit on all other occassions (most of the time). Banter is to be classified under the category of emotional support, (as you mention this makes the INFP a fun person to be around). Emotionally stable people tend to require little support, with that goes the banter and other methods of emotional affirmation the INFP offers.

    Accordingly, the emotionally stable or a sound person will require such utilities only very rarely. Therefore it makes little sense for him/her to consistently make investments in what will pay off rarely.

    Quote Originally Posted by hathor_sekhmet View Post
    Damn, I should have known better than to fall into the trap that is Internet debate. I'm sorry for cluttering up this thread. I just think it's BS that no one's calling BlueWing out for this nonsense.

    .

    Because you have not pointed out the invalidity of my argument or the errors in establishment of my premises, reasonableness requires you to believe that it is not non-sense.
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    The hell?

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