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    Quote Originally Posted by SillyGoose View Post
    LL, I honestly couldn't help it. As soon as I got out of school it was like being released from prison.

    I also couldn't pay attention enough to remember assignments, bring the right books home to do homework or whatever else was needed.

    My grades solely rested on classwork, tests and the quartlerly/yearly exams.
    Awww man, I understand. I used to be totally like that. Actually, I still am totally like that. I honestly do not know how I made it either. But it would be so cool to be that smart. Just a shame to see someone who is bright squander their abilities....But perhaps you do not see it that way. As long as you are happy, that is the main point.
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    Hey LL, maybe this isn't a popular opinion (it certainly is not within my parents home) but I really don't think grades or going to college have really anything to do with how smart you are.

    I tend to think the gals and guys who make it without all that are amongst the brightest.

    In the Forbes top ten one year none of the self made professionals had graduated college or even had decent grades, except for the wal mart heirs. I thought that was funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillyGoose View Post
    Hey LL, maybe this isn't a popular opinion (it certainly is not within my parents home) but I really don't think grades or going to college have really anything to do with how smart you are.

    I tend to think the gals and guys who make it without all that are amongst the brightest.

    In the Forbes top ten one year none of the self made professionals had graduated college or even had decent grades, except for the wal mart heirs. I thought that was funny.
    Sure, that is true. No doubt about it. I mean people who whine and complain about being so smart and capable but never accomplish anything. That could mean good grades; that could mean starting a successful business. But people who whine and moan and then say they are smart - nah. That totally baffles me.

    Of course, maybe you do not need good grades to be successful. I knew I needed them because I did not have sufficient capital to start my own business or perfect connections to land great jobs. I knew my only chance to achieve my dreams was to prove I was capable. Although my dreams were fairly humble, I have achieved almost all of them, even those that have nothing to do with grades.

    Sure, success does not depend upon getting all 1s or As. I definitely did not. But sometimes it sure does help. I would have loved to have gotten a full scholarship, for example. If I had focused better, it might have been possible. But I also did not pay attention as well as I should have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Sure, that is true. No doubt about it. I mean people who whine and complain about being so smart and capable but never accomplish anything. That could mean good grades; that could mean starting a successful business. But people who whine and moan and then say they are smart - nah. That totally baffles me.

    Of course, maybe you do not need good grades to be successful. I knew I needed them because I did not have sufficient capital to start my own business or perfect connections to land great jobs. I knew my only chance to achieve my dreams was to prove I was capable. Although my dreams were fairly humble, I have achieved almost all of them, even those that have nothing to do with grades.

    Sure, success does not depend upon getting all 1s or As. I definitely did not. But sometimes it sure does help. I would have loved to have gotten a full scholarship, for example. If I had focused better, it might have been possible. But I also did not pay attention as well as I should have.
    I get what you are saying.

    I think I'm pretty successful, although I haven't fulfilled all of my goals. Which are probably pretty lofty.

    For me, after I graduated high school I felt the world open up to me. I feel like I can do whatever I want to do and I pursue it with a passion.

    So, I can understand looking at the very intelligent but going no where and wondering as you do. I have an uncle who can answer every question (or give the question, LOL) in Jeopardy but couldn't hold a job in a deli...LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillyGoose View Post
    I did that. But my excuses were valid in my own special way.

    I absolutely could not pay attention in class. NOT.AT.ALL. It felt like some kind of medieval torture sitting through these lectures, teachers talking, taking way too long to go over something. Ay yay yay.

    Bribes, threats, punishments from my parents wouldn't even work.

    It was torture.

    I never went back to school and it is highly likely that I never will.
    my friends are always amazed at how little i learn from class! what i mean is. im that guy who literally learns NOTHING from class...i just get distracted and bored/mind wanders.


    i learn best in three situations:

    1. i have a slave driver (like a cheerleader who makes sure your doing what your doing ...think of that FJ friend haha)
    2. i want to impress someone (i swear i go into NTJ mode and i literally can become the terminator)
    3. I lock myself in a room with nothing but a desk and a chair + book. (any other medium and i get distracted)

    do any other ENFPs have this terminator mode? ....like i usaully screw around in school (not on purpose) and do bad on the first test...procrastinate, learn nothing from lecture...and then i snap and go into terminator mode where i talk to no one and study for 4 hour intervals of extreme focus. i think its because i just cant do "relaxed" studying...my Ne will lead me away if im not locked into the Ni-Si/Te axis....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    my friends are always amazed at how little i learn from class! what i mean is. im that guy who literally learns NOTHING from class...i just get distracted and bored/mind wanders.


    i learn best in three situations:

    1. i have a slave driver (like a cheerleader who makes sure your doing what your doing ...think of that FJ friend haha)
    2. i want to impress someone (i swear i go into NTJ mode and i literally can become the terminator)
    3. I lock myself in a room with nothing but a desk and a chair + book. (any other medium and i get distracted)

    do any other ENFPs have this terminator mode? ....like i usaully screw around in school (not on purpose) and do bad on the first test...procrastinate, learn nothing from lecture...and then i snap and go into terminator mode where i talk to no one and study for 4 hour intervals of extreme focus. i think its because i just cant do "relaxed" studying...my Ne will lead me away if im not locked into the Ni-Si/Te axis....

    LOL, yes. It has to be a dire emergency or whatnot to get me going.

    There is nothing 'relaxed' here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillyGoose View Post
    LOL, yes. It has to be a dire emergency or whatnot to get me going.

    There is nothing 'relaxed' here.
    I definitely have terminator mode, but it only kicks in if I put things off to the utterly last second, and then my rational, focused mind kicks in. I guess I turn into INTJ or something...but it is exhausting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    I definitely have terminator mode, but it only kicks in if I put things off to the utterly last second, and then my rational, focused mind kicks in. I guess I turn into INTJ or something...but it is exhausting.
    well most people oppositional is stronger than their auxilary, tertiary (its just not a conscious preference). to me it seems logical the secondary self of ENFP would be the oppositional and the tertiary or Ni/Te.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    do any other ENFPs have this terminator mode? ....
    Absolutely. I never realy understood it, but occasionally I get what feels like waves.... waves to (when I was in school) study, waves to clean, waves to get my bills paid, waves to do everything that my little ENFP mind hates and abhors doing.

    It's not something that I completely control either, I just know that when I feel a 'wave' coming along, it's best to ACT If I don't act immediately, I get (ni?) distracted and lose the wave.

    Or maybe I'm the only one like this


    Regarding the OP, I just mimic whatever I feel the situation warrants. When I associate professionally with doctors, my vernacular is quite divergent than the shit talking thas' goin down with my cats round town. Intelligence has nothing to do with it at all. I don't have to be smart to sound like I am; furthermore, I don't have to be 'dumb' to communicate in very human and blunt language.


    edit: holla at ya for that EQ statement made before

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedekit View Post

    How about any other NFs out there? Have you ever felt like people underestimated your overall intelligence? (It makes me think of Elle Woods, and how people assumed so much about her because she was blonde.)
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