[ENFP] Do other NFs feel like they observe their feelings more than live them?

[Avocado]

I have frequent intense mood shifts, but it is like I am observing the emotions more that actually living through them. Is that strange?

 

[prplchknz]

not from my pov.

 

[Evee]

No, I am what I feel, I'm like the weather.

 

[Avocado]

It may be more of an e7 thing, then. I think I read e7 detaches when in the presence of strong emotion...

 

[Galena]

No, the opposite. I could do better at telling the difference between my being and my feelings.

 

[Avocado]

No, the opposite. I could do better at telling the difference between my being and my feelings.

Sometimes I laugh when I hear horrible things instead of doing a more appropriate response...then I feel guilt because it makes the other person feel bad.
That said, I can recall the time I saw the dogs in the pool and even though I gave an appropriate response, it took a couple hours for me to actually authentically feel it, though I knew it was coming...
Does any of that make sense?

 

[Nicodemus]

Sometimes I laugh when I hear horrible things instead of doing a more appropriate response...then I feel guilt because it makes the other person feel bad.
That said, I can recall the time I saw the dogs in the pool and even though I gave an appropriate response, it took a couple hours for me to actually authentically feel it, though I knew it was coming...
Does any of that make sense?

All of that is completely normal.

 

[Flâneuse]

I think I read e7 detaches when in the presence of strong emotion...

E9s too. I sometimes feel completely distinct from but still affected by my strong emotions, like I'm clinging to a raft during a violent storm instead of actually becoming the storm.

 

[the state i am in]

definite head type thing.

we generally give the keys to our minds, and everything else is but a passenger in the car. it takes courage and skill to learn how to dive more fully into the feelings and allow them to speak to us as directly as possible, especially when in order to do so, the action is in letting go of our thoughts--our presumed sense of control (avoidance-wise)--and surrendering to what the truth of us is given how we relate to the situations and aims we find footing in.

 

[HongDou]

Interesting question.

I don't identify as NF, and I do feel it as the emotions run through me. That said, when I feel something the first thought is the problem that's causing it and how it needs to be solved. I don't detach and rationalize/observe why I feel a certain way but I can see my emotions as their own indicator of what's wrong in my life that needs to be resolved. I think looking for how to resolve whatever negative emotion is burdening you is a more positive outlook/E7ish strategy.

That said, I don't think it's related to head type much. When it comes to rationalizing emotions though I think of E5. Since you identify as E7 it could be your line to 5.

That said, I can recall the time I saw the dogs in the pool and even though I gave an appropriate response, it took a couple hours for me to actually authentically feel it, though I knew it was coming...

Didn't you mention on here once that you have Asperger syndrome? It could be that - people with it in my high school generally operated like that as well.

 

[Avocado]

Interesting question.

I don't identify as NF, and I do feel it as the emotions run through me. That said, when I feel something the first thought is the problem that's causing it and how it needs to be solved. I don't detach and rationalize/observe why I feel a certain way but I can see my emotions as their own indicator of what's wrong in my life that needs to be resolved. I think looking for how to resolve whatever negative emotion is burdening you is a more positive outlook/E7ish strategy.

That said, I don't think it's related to head type much. When it comes to rationalizing emotions though I think of E5. Since you identify as E7 - it could be your line to 5.



Didn't you mention on here once that you have Asperger syndrome? It could be that - people with it in my high school generally operated like that as well.

I have always identified strongly with the head triad, though lately 6 more than anything. Yes, I was diagnosed with aspergers when I was little.

 

[Avocado]

definite head type thing.

we generally give the keys to our minds, and everything else is but a passenger in the car. it takes courage and skill to learn how to dive more fully into the feelings and allow them to speak to us as directly as possible, especially when in order to do so, the action is in letting go of our thoughts--our presumed sense of control (avoidance-wise)--and surrendering to what the truth of us is given how we relate to the situations and aims we find footing in.

I am always thinking of changing my etype classification to 6 or 5…though starry has mad a good case for 7…

 

[Lexicon]

definite head type thing.

we generally give the keys to our minds, and everything else is but a passenger in the car. it takes courage and skill to learn how to dive more fully into the feelings and allow them to speak to us as directly as possible, especially when in order to do so, the action is in letting go of our thoughts--our presumed sense of control (avoidance-wise)--and surrendering to what the truth of us is given how we relate to the situations and aims we find footing in.

I kinda relate to this, as well. I've always taken it as using intellectualization as a defense mechanism, though. For me, it's a very conscious effort to switch gears, so to speak. Feel, then hit the brakes, & analyze to deal with them, contain them, manage them (however you wish to phrase it).

 

[five sounds]

E9s too. I sometimes feel completely distinct from but still affected by my strong emotions, like I'm clinging to a raft during a violent storm instead of actually becoming the storm.

definite head type thing.

we generally give the keys to our minds, and everything else is but a passenger in the car. it takes courage and skill to learn how to dive more fully into the feelings and allow them to speak to us as directly as possible, especially when in order to do so, the action is in letting go of our thoughts--our presumed sense of control (avoidance-wise)--and surrendering to what the truth of us is given how we relate to the situations and aims we find footing in.

It may be more of an e7 thing, then. I think I read e7 detaches when in the presence of strong emotion...

 

[indra]

This is a sense-dom trait :}

You're feeling them, methinks. And rationalizing you're merely observing them.

I forgot, though, I typed you a sense dom....

 

[Avocado]

This is a sense-dom trait :}

You're feeling them, methinks. And rationalizing you're merely observing them.

I forgot, though, I typed you a sense dom....

Attention to the environment around me is my Achilles heel, not a strength.

 

[indra]

Attention to the environment around me is my Achilles heel, not a strength.

Yes, like an Si dom.

 

[Avocado]

Yes, like an Si dom.

I am curious by nature, and even though I can usually tell if I have done something or not, chronology is hard for me.
Are you suggesting I am ISTJ?

ISFJ would fit better, since I always (attempt to) harmonize with others. I am always losing and misplacing things, so Si seems like a stretch, too, though I relate to Si far more than Se.

 

[indra]

I am curious by nature, and even though I can usually tell if I have done something or not, chronology is hard for me.
Are you suggesting I am ISTJ?

I dunno. You just don't strike me Ne to any degree. Your intuition is in a band similar to what I've studied/know of Si types.

I don't intend to turn the conversation to this. But, take [MENTION=22109]Evee[/MENTION]'s post. That seems more NFish.

 

[Galena]

Sometimes I laugh when I hear horrible things instead of doing a more appropriate response...then I feel guilt because it makes the other person feel bad.
That said, I can recall the time I saw the dogs in the pool and even though I gave an appropriate response, it took a couple hours for me to actually authentically feel it, though I knew it was coming...
Does any of that make sense?

They make sense, although I differ from them in my personal experience. We all differ in how we respond to such things.

I relate to the first one somewhat - I have had weird responses to horrible news on occasion. The second one, not so much. I tend to think I need to deal with the emotions before taking action, but in some situations such as the above, that is obviously not an option. It takes strength from me to be effective at these times - as my health gets better, I become better at this. When I was at the bottom of my health, I was useless.

But these sound like natural things, even if we are different types.