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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    You do not hold science and logic in as high of a regard as I do, then?
    Apparently not.
    You hem me in -- behind and before;
    you have laid your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    You do not hold science and logic in as high of a regard as I do, then?
    Science has done a hell of a lot of damage to all the things you feel so deeply as well don't you think?

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    I feel my own version of "it", which would make a list that is different all around. But the essential feeling is the same. Yes, I do feel it, even when it would be wiser not to.
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    As of late, I don't feel it much. Hopefully my sensitivity to those feelings of wonder will come back soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Science has done a hell of a lot of damage to all the things you feel so deeply as well don't you think?
    Well, perhaps indirectly through technology, but science will fix itself. It is a very adaptable method. What people do with science is people, not science. Many problems we have today are from people ignoring the warnings of environmentalist, but now the effects are visible. The puzzle of the millennium is to continue to progress and gain knowledge while protecting the nature and environment that has been our home these millions of years. I'm working on achieving a golden balance of logos (logic) and pathos (emotion) to create an ideal ethos (ethics system). It will not be easy.

    I have deep feelings that tug on my ability to be objective, but focusing on objectivity has been a point of growth, though sometimes painful growth.

    I only wished to share with you the things that take my breath away and that fill me with wonder. It is the other side of the coin from the deep despair I feel when there is an ethical contradiction.
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    You can achieve anything you set your mind to, and you are limited only by how dedicated you are to succeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    Well, perhaps indirectly through technology, but science will fix itself. It is a very adaptable method. What people do with science is people, not science. Many problems we have today are from people ignoring the warnings of environmentalist, but now the effects are visible. The puzzle of the millennium is to continue to progress and gain knowledge while protecting the nature and environment that has been our home these millions of years. I'm working on achieving a golden balance of logos (logic) and pathos (emotion) to create an ideal ethos (ethics system). It will not be easy.

    I have deep feelings that tug on my ability to be objective, but focusing on objectivity has been a point of growth, though sometimes painful growth.

    I only wished to share with you the things that take my breath away and that fill me with wonder. It is the other side of the coin from the deep despair I feel when there is an ethical contradiction.

    What you don't want to do is merely go pathos for logos because that would just be so loco.



    WHEN I heard the learn’d astronomer;
    When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me;
    When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them;
    When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room,
    How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick;
    Till rising and gliding out, I wander’d off by myself,
    In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
    Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.

    -Walt Whitman

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    Quote Originally Posted by silvery sleeves View Post
    "Someday, science will save us all from every woe that has ever plagued mankind."

    besides that

    i totally know how you feel.
    Quote Originally Posted by five sounds View Post
    Yeah that's where he lost me too.
    "Where man cannot find anything to see or grasp, he has no further business - that is certainly an imperative separate from the Platonic one, but it may be the right imperative for a tough, industrious race of machinists and bridge builders of the future, who have nothing but rough work to do."

    @OP - not enfp, easily mystified. i've only recently realized my drive is to snap the spell of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    What you don't want to do is merely go pathos for logos because that would just be so loco.



    WHEN I heard the learn’d astronomer;
    When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me;
    When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them;
    When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room,
    How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick;
    Till rising and gliding out, I wander’d off by myself,
    In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
    Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.

    -Walt Whitman
    What a beautiful poem, Starry! Thank you for sharing.
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    I say this as a reminder to myself, but this goes for everyone:

    You can achieve anything you set your mind to, and you are limited only by how dedicated you are to succeed!

    -Magic Qwan

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    I think every NF feels it in one way or another.

    As far as science is concerned, I think it has great potential as well (although it's not the solution to every single thing and needs to be balanced with other approaches). Now, maybe some NFs will judge me for this, but I believe it will be possible for us to extend our lifespans indefinitely with the help of science, and that we're only decades away from this. I support transhumanist ideas for this reason.

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    I feel it too.

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