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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Be our guest... I am curious about your enneagram results...
    Since SJ's are commonly correlated with type 6's. And since, practically my entire family are SJ's. I can only make the safe assumption that this is the biggest influence associated to my enneagram.
    “If you worry about what might be, and wonder what might have been, you will ignore what is.” -anonymous

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    Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||||||| 62%
    Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||||||| 62%
    Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||||||| 66%
    Type 4 Individualism |||||||||||| 46%
    Type 5 Intellectualism |||||||||||| 42%
    Type 6 Security Focus |||||||||| 38%
    Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||| 46%
    Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||| 26%
    Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||| 54%

    type score type behavior motivation
    3 16 I must be impressive and attractive to survive.
    1 15 I must be perfect and good to survive.
    2 15 I must be helpful and caring to survive.
    9 13 I must maintain peace/calm to survive.
    4 11 I must be unique/different to survive.
    7 11 I must be fun and entertained to survive.
    5 10 I must be knowledgeable to survive.
    6 9 I must be secure and safe to survive.
    8 6 I must be strong and in control to survive.

    Your main type is Type 3
    Your variant stacking is so/sx/sp
    Your level of health is above average

    Well, If I say so, then so be it :-) But I'm not convinced.
    Perhaps I'm temporarily at a 3 because of major life events.

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    I gotta say, I love how serious the thread title sounds. CALL TO ACTION.
    TO ARMS! TO ARMS!


    My contribution to your mental petri dish:



    Enneagram Test Results

    Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||||| 58%
    Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||||||| 62%
    Type 3 Image Focus || 10%
    Type 4 Individualism |||||||||||| 46%
    Type 5 Intellectualism |||||||||||||||||||| 82%
    Type 6 Security Focus |||||||||||||||||| 74%
    Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||| 34%
    Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||| 46%
    Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||| 66%

    type score type behavior motivation
    5 20 I must be knowledgeable to survive.
    6 18 I must be secure and safe to survive.
    9 16 I must maintain peace/calm to survive.
    2 15 I must be helpful and caring to survive.
    1 14 I must be perfect and good to survive.
    4 11 I must be unique/different to survive.
    8 11 I must be strong and in control to survive.
    7 8 I must be fun and entertained to survive.
    3 2 I must be impressive and attractive to survive.

    Your main type is Type 5
    Your variant stacking is sp/sx/so

    Your level of health is above average

    ^that level of health thing strikes me as odd/likely inaccurate. I'm super neurotic, have PTSD/history of anorexia nervosa/distorted body perception/fearful-avoidant attachment style, but eh, there are only so many (or so few?) dimensions an online test can take into account & attempt to quantify.


    I'll edit this for the socionics result later, I have some stuff I need to attend to, at the moment.



    *edit* I've definitely taken that test before (socionics) - gotten IEI (INFp) a few times, & EII (INFj) a few times.. so it's really anyone's guess.

    As for MBTI, I took the test (blind) from my psych professor, knowing nothing about typology, assuming it was simply a career test. The INFJ result has always made the most sense to me. In the distant past, I was mistaken for a male INTP in Ventrilo during realtime [text] interaction. I've taken other tests for the hell of it, & the results were always INFJ, & INTP. Once or twice, INTJ, but the notion of Te being a heavy preference for me is just silly.


    Probably somewhere between 1-3 in terms of inferiority complex issues. That's something I've spent most of my adult life working to undo, and I feel like I've come a long way. I'm not terribly assertive, by default, but I'm not a doormat, either. Being supportive to others who have dealt with inferiority issues helped me to sort out some of my own, over time.
    03/23 06:06:58 EcK: lex
    03/23 06:06:59 EcK: lex
    03/23 06:21:34 Nancynobullets: LEXXX *sacrifices a first born*
    03/23 06:21:53 Nancynobullets: We summon yooouuu
    03/23 06:29:07 Lexicon: I was sleeping!



    04/25 04:20:35 Patches: Don't listen to lex. She wants to birth a litter of kittens. She doesnt get to decide whats creepy

    02/16 23:49:38 ygolo: Lex is afk
    02/16 23:49:45 Cimarron: she's doing drugs with Jack

    03/05 19:27:41 Time: You can't make chat morbid. Lex does it naturally.

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    Your Sociotype: EII-1Ne (INFj)

    Brief Description of the EII

    Using introverted feeling as her base function and extroverted intuition as her creative, the EII is adept at understanding people's internal drive and motivation. She often acts reserved, respectful, and polite around others she does not know well but will eventually open up more. She implicitly trusts her intuition when judging someone, and this intuition serves her well at grasping more abstract concepts. EIIs need to constantly set new goals for themselves and they care deeply about meeting these goals. However it should be noted that these goals are very personal, and she places less weight on the conventional achievements that society values, so often any correlation is largely coincidental. At her best, the EII is known for respecting other people's beliefs and values while also being an overachiever at school and work; at her worst, the EII's compassion and empathy can cause her undue harm when the people she cares about are suffering. Overall, the EII cares about diligence, meeting one's individuals goals, and respecting others; she distates behavior that is overtly loud, abrasive, or aggressive. Learn more about the EII here!

    Other Possible Types

    LII (INTj): 75% as likely as EII.
    IEI (INFp): 71% as likely as EII.
    ILI (INTp): 71% as likely as EII.

    Sociotype Characteristics

    Small Groups
    Quadra: Delta
    Club: Humanitarians
    Temperament: IJ
    Romance Styles:
    Primary: Infantile
    Secondary: Aggressor

    First Tier Dichotomies
    Introvert
    Intuitive
    Ethical
    Rational (Judging)

    Second Tier Dichotomies
    Static
    Yielding
    Aristocratic
    Strategic
    Constructivist
    Farsighted

    Third Tier Dichotomies
    Serious
    Judicious
    Positivist
    Process

    Fourth Tier Dichotomies
    Declaring

    I probably ended up in the correct ball park, but I'm sceptical because there is a difference between who I am and how I behave.
    There is also a difference on how I behave and how I would like to behave, and what I do and what I would like to do.
    I have no idea on how to read the last sociotype characteristics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    UPDATE: ADDENDUM 1

    I have a "personal" theory as to how INFJ type should be concentrated around enneagram types 1 and 2, and that enneagram 4 could not be related with INFJs...enneagram 5 and 6 is inconclusive at the moment...but I still expect a strong 1 and 2 type in the trityping...

    So this is a personal call to all active INFJs regardless of type to take tritype and socionics testing provided below and share the results so that:

    1-I can test the veracity of my theory or see the errors of it...
    2-More data as to the type can be made available herein...
    3-Confusion about what INFJ type is or isn't can be dispersed...
    4-Any potential mistypings and possible reasons thereof can be identified...
    5-Dissemination of correct information to the public can be ensured...

    Same type of threads can be started by other MBTI Types...

    Beware that this may turn out to be a confrontation with the self... Thanks in advance for contributions... The tests to be used are as follows:

    http://similarminds.com/test.html

    http://www.sociotype.com/tests/

    ADDENDUM 1:

    Inferiority Complex Description (Please rate over a scale of 0-5 over 5 for applicability)




    JCF test is not mandatory...

    Those who have already contributed may edit their earlier posts to add the inferiority complex response if they like...
    Inferiority: Probably 4 or 5.
    The interesting thing about all this is that the more I become aware of my "flaws" the more I want to change them.
    I would like to recommend others to read about all sixteen types and see which one of them that resonates the most with their "true self".
    And after that have a look at the function stack and see if their ordering corresponds well to Beebe's eight roles: Hero, good parent, eternal child, etc. Iterate until done. That worked for me.

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    Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 26%
    Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||| 50%
    Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||| 34%
    Type 4 Individualism |||||||||||||| 58%
    Type 5 Intellectualism |||||||||||||||| 70%
    Type 6 Security Focus |||||||||||||||||| 78%
    Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||| 66%
    Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||| 30%
    Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||| 66%

    type score type behavior motivation
    6 19 I must be secure and safe to survive.
    5 17 I must be knowledgeable to survive.
    7 16 I must be fun and entertained to survive.
    9 16 I must maintain peace/calm to survive.
    4 14 I must be unique/different to survive.
    2 12 I must be helpful and caring to survive.
    3 8 I must be impressive and attractive to survive.
    8 7 I must be strong and in control to survive.
    1 6 I must be perfect and good to survive.

    Your main type is Type 6
    Your variant stacking is sp/sx/so
    Your level of health is very low, i.e. very unhealthy
    -------

    I get similar results in most tests.
    I'm unhealthy. Watch your back around me
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    I've been thread-tagged? By yeghor? Really?

    *sigh* Okay, momentarily interesting enough in its own very special way, so I'll pop temporarily out of lurk mode to say:

    1. I can't possibly be the only one who's noticed that the OP seems in part to be claiming to "test" a personal theory about MBTI-type INFJ and enneagram by asking MBTI INFJs to take an enneagram test and a socionics test?

    (I'm reminded of the scene in the movie Orgazmo where the stunt double comes in and there's this short conversation about whether it's relevant that the double looks very different from the actor and the producer/director guy finally shrugs and gives up and lets the scene go on).

    2. As for data from me and my perspective:

    -I've been professionally tested as MBTI INFJ, and over time confirmed that through various other means as well, including but by no means limited to the keys to cognition cognitive function test and and various free online MBTI tests - plus real life realities of how I actually process information (realities that are at least as relevant as free tests on the internet, if not more so).*

    -I'm also very clearly an enneagram 6w5, confirmed through pretty much any online test I take including but not limited to the similarminds one from the OP. But - far more importantly for me, given the nature of the enneagram - confirmed because it actually explains real stuff about my coping mechanisms, damage, "original loss" and the dynamics that enneagram seeks to explore. (IMO online enneagram tests are way less useful as a typing mechanism than being able to honestly and unflinchingly recognize the dynamics in self that the enneagram system seeks to uncover and self-typing that way). My enneagram tritype is most likely 684, though that designation is considerably less certain for me than the MBTI type and core e-type. And I'm semi-sure sure my variants are so/sp/sx in that order and if not that, then sp/so/sx.

    -I don't find socionics useful, for myself and my life. There's something about the socionics approach to the functions that hasn't ever been useful for me in terms of its application in my actual life. It's like the underlying assumptions make the system skewed/off-true as any sort of language or conceptual map to assist in understanding my actual lived reality. I do, however, recognize that socionics can be very useful for others and I think it's great for those who find it useful as a conceptual tool to improve understanding and guide action in their actual lives.

    In any case, my understanding is that socionics is not identical to MBTI despite surface appearances due to both using Jungian cognitive functions as part of the conceptual language.

    -I also see enneagram and MBTI as two different systems explaining two very different aspects of any individual. Roughly, I see MBTI as attending to how individuals process information overall, and enneagram attending to particular aspects of psychological damage, coping/survival mechanisms etc. In my case with my respective types, I don't experience any conflict between my cognitive function configuration as an MBTI INFJ, and my enneagram 6w5. (In fact, being a Se-inf 6w5 is allll sorts of not-fun convergence when I'm stressed out).

    *Speaking of my MBTI typing: I find it rather odd that yeghor tagged me in this "call to action" to MBTI INFJs. When I didn't conform to his internal belief system in the past, he told me I must be mistyped, that I was ISTP and said that if I am actually INFJ, he can't possibly be INFJ also because he doesn't relate to me and doesn't like certain things about how I interact ... and so given that, one of us would have to be something else. *sigh*

    Which reminds me, this part of the OP really struck me:

    So this is a personal call to all active INFJs regardless of type to take tritype and socionics testing provided below and share the results so that:

    [snip]

    4. Any potential mistypings and possible reasons thereof can be identified...'
    Given my own experiences and observations of yeghor's interactions with others around type and his personal theories, I think it's quite likely for this part of the OP to end up as the central focus for yeghor's final conclusions (meaning: I suspect that he will eventually maintain the core of his personal internal theoretical system by concluding that anyone who doesn't conform with what he believes is somehow mistyped). I'm really hoping I'm wrong about that, but drawing attention to that part of the OP just in case I'm not.

    3. Oh, and about the addition from @Alea_iacta_est re dominance/asserting self etc:



    *Returns to lurk mode.*
    Last edited by Werebudgie; 05-05-2014 at 10:48 PM. Reason: correct minor error in one of the quotations

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    Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||| 46%
    Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||| 46%
    Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||||||| 66%
    Type 4 Individualism |||||||||||||| 54%
    Type 5 Intellectualism |||||||||||| 50%
    Type 6 Security Focus |||||||||||||||| 70%
    Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||| 38%
    Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||| 30%
    Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||| 46%

    type score type behavior motivation
    6 17 I must be secure and safe to survive.
    3 16 I must be impressive and attractive to survive.
    4 13 I must be unique/different to survive.
    5 12 I must be knowledgeable to survive.
    1 11 I must be perfect and good to survive.
    2 11 I must be helpful and caring to survive.
    9 11 I must maintain peace/calm to survive.
    7 9 I must be fun and entertained to survive.
    8 7 I must be strong and in control to survive.

    Your main type is Type 6
    Your variant stacking is spsosx
    Your level of health is below average, i.e. unhealthy
    I've taken literally dozens of Enneagram tests, and this is almost the only time I've ever scored as a 6. 6 isn't my enneagram type; I think I might have scored as one because I'm still recovering from a nervous breakdown. In truth, I'm either a 4 or a 5, with 4 being slightly more likely considering that my Fivishness, although strong, is mostly isolated to my later teens and adulthood, which amounts to less than half the time I've been alive.

    I've taken the socionics test numerous times, and my results have always been EIE, ILI, or IEI. A lot of people in this thread are scoring EII, but that isn't one of the socionics types I most relate to (I'm N>F, I'm not attracted to Caregiver types, I value external displays of emotion, I'm unlikely to be in an Ne quadra, and the list goes on). And I'm 100% sure that INFJ is my MBTI type.

    This is the only test result I have saved:

    Your Sociotype: IEI-1Ni (INFp)
    Brief Description of the IEI

    Other Possible Types

    LII (INTj): 88% as likely as IEI.
    EIE (ENFj): 88% as likely as IEI.
    EII (INFj): 87% as likely as IEI.

    - See more at: http://www.sociotype.com/tests/resul....SZSG4INR.dpuf
    [ Ni > Ti > Fe > Fi > Ne > Te > Si > Se ][ 4w5 sp/sx ][ RLOAI ][ IEI-Ni ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    Proclaiming to be an INFJ makes you look like a liar. They're truly so rare, it's hard to believe anyone when they first say it.
    Not necessarily. It's already widely accepted that N likes psychological theories more than S. Thus, we get lots of N on the forums, even though it is like 70-30 in favor of S. So isn't it plausible that INFJ is to N as N is to S?

    The alternative is to say that people are massively mistyped. I just don't think that a high proportion who are motivated to learn about personality theory are that deluded. People want the truth if they spend that much time looking into it; if they want to lie, they just say, "I guess I'm this", then they move on. They don't generally need to obsess over it. Mistyping is much more likely for those not active on the forums.

    If mistyping is that prevalent, then I think the system is called into question. If people are that dishonest, or if the instrument is that clumsy, then how can we arbitrarily theorize that there is just one or two problems (i.e. people want to be INFJs who aren't). Maybe there are tons of flaws.

    We can't say quantitatively, and you've just made any qualitative judgment invalid by showing how they are seriously flawed. You can't simply say, "Here's why this is the one qualitative error people make", and then say that you've fixed it with qualitative judgments of your own; if the system is flawed in that way, then your perceptions could be off as easily as the next person's.

    See what I mean? We can't just pick and choose. Either people can be trusted to self-select in general, or they can't. Either the test works or it doesn't. We can't say, "It works for everyone except you and you and you, but it works for me and her." That's subject to the Forer effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LION4!5 View Post
    Not necessarily. It's already widely accepted that N likes psychological theories more than S. Thus, we get lots of N on the forums, even though it is like 70-30 in favor of S. So isn't it plausible that INFJ is to N as N is to S?

    The alternative is to say that people are massively mistyped. I just don't think that a high proportion who are motivated to learn about personality theory are that deluded. People want the truth if they spend that much time looking into it; if they want to lie, they just say, "I guess I'm this", then they move on. They don't generally need to obsess over it. Mistyping is much more likely for those not active on the forums.

    If mistyping is that prevalent, then I think the system is called into question. If people are that dishonest, or if the instrument is that clumsy, then how can we arbitrarily theorize that there is just one or two problems (i.e. people want to be INFJs who aren't). Maybe there are tons of flaws.

    We can't say quantitatively, and you've just made any qualitative judgment invalid by showing how they are seriously flawed. You can't simply say, "Here's why this is the one qualitative error people make", and then say that you've fixed it with qualitative judgments of your own; if the system is flawed in that way, then your perceptions could be off as easily as the next person's.

    See what I mean? We can't just pick and choose. Either people can be trusted to self-select in general, or they can't. Either the test works or it doesn't. We can't say, "It works for everyone except you and you and you, but it works for me and her." That's subject to the Forer effect.
    Fairly certain he was being sarcastic.
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