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    Senior Member Alea_iacta_est's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrderOfTheCaelifera View Post
    You complained about Yeghor mixing theories without backing up his assertions, you & others challenged him to prove his point of view & it appears that he's attempting to gather data to see where the chips may fall.
    So why disrupt this thread unless you're concerned he may gather data supporting his point of view?
    I'm hoping he gives it his best shot, I'd like to see where this thread goes & I suspect others wouldn't mind observing & participating in Yeghor's experiment.

    Give the guy a chance.
    I would if this thread wasn't created right after I poised a response in another thread in which I said that the empirical evidence weighed in favor of INFJs being type 4s (which he/she argued against). I was lauding yeghor in that quote for actually doing something like this. I'm simply here to see the results, I'm the counter-argument to the initial assertion that INFJs can only be Type 1s or Type 2s. (and also hijacking it a little bit for a thought experiment for the INFj crowd)

    By the way, my description that people have been rating is Se PoLR of the INFj, one of the main identifiers of the INxj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I would if this thread wasn't created right after I poised a response in another thread in which I said that the empirical evidence weighed in favor of INFJs being type 4s (which he/she argued against). I was lauding yeghor in that quote for actually doing something like this. I'm simply here to see the results, I'm the counter-argument to the initial assertion that INFJs can only be Type 1s or Type 2s. (and also hijacking it a little bit for a thought experiment for the INFj crowd)

    By the way, my description that people have been rating is Se PoLR of the INFj, one of the main identifiers of the INxj.
    I would appreciate if you didn't interfere any longer... and stand in the sidelines... and just be an observer and let people contribute... Or if you have any additional suggestions to make, please convey them specifically to me in PM so that I, as the OP, can decide whether to implement it in the thread or not...

    Thanks for the inferiority complex description, that might also serve as a good indicator...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    I would appreciate if you didn't interfere any longer... and stand in the sidelines... and just be an observer and let people contribute... Or if you have any additional suggestions to make, please convey them specifically to me in PM so that I, as the OP, can decide whether to implement it in the thread or not...

    Thanks for the inferiority complex description, that might also serve as a good indicator...
    Wasn't planning to interfere after I poised the description, but then I got quoted after it.

    I'm gone now.

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    UPDATE: ADDENDUM 1

    I have a "personal" theory as to how INFJ type should be concentrated around enneagram types 1 and 2, and that enneagram 4 could not be related with INFJs...enneagram 5 and 6 is inconclusive at the moment...but I still expect a strong 1 and 2 type in the trityping...

    So this is a personal call to all active INFJs regardless of type to take tritype and socionics testing provided below and share the results so that:

    1-I can test the veracity of my theory or see the errors of it...
    2-More data as to the type can be made available herein...
    3-Confusion about what INFJ type is or isn't can be dispersed...
    4-Any potential mistypings and possible reasons thereof can be identified...
    5-Dissemination of correct information to the public can be ensured...

    Same type of threads can be started by other MBTI Types...

    Beware that this may turn out to be a confrontation with the self... Thanks in advance for contributions... The tests to be used are as follows:

    http://similarminds.com/test.html

    http://www.sociotype.com/tests/

    ADDENDUM 1:

    Inferiority Complex Description (Please rate over a scale of 0-5 over 5 for applicability)


    For those who score INFj as an INFJ, on a scale of 1 to 5 (please use as much self-awareness as possible, introspect like hell for accuracy, 5 being extremely accurate), how much do you relate to this?

    Inferiority complex surrounding asserting oneself or asserting ones' dominance over others. The individual extremely dislikes overly aggressive people but cannot voice any opinion concerning aggressive people due to fear of being a new target for others' assertive nature. Fears being criticized for lack of self-assertion, as this is perceived as one's main flaw as an individual, aggressive, domineering nature seen as somewhat evil and patronizing (yet also somewhat perceived as admirable with a twinge of envy). Intolerant of conflict, disliking to take place in any conflict due not because it disturbs the peace but because one cannot take a strong stance against another without ultimately losing somehow. Wants badly to self-assert themselves, but any attempts at doing so ultimately fail, always.
    JCF test is not mandatory...

    Those who have already contributed may edit their earlier posts to add the inferiority complex response if they like...

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    Enneagram, which was fascinating. It's been a while since I've tested and the results confirm and explain so much (specifically the strength of my 8 fix). I have to say though, I have no idea how they are determining health! I scored high in 1 and low in 2 which demonstrates integration for a 4... yet they deemed me very unhealthy. Haha, I think I'm the healthiest I've been to date (not that I don't slip now and then)!

    Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||||| 54%
    Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 22%
    Type 3 Image Focus || 10%
    Type 4 Individualism |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
    Type 5 Intellectualism |||||||||||| 50%
    Type 6 Security Focus |||||| 22%
    Type 7 Adventurousness |||||| 26%
    Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||||| 62%
    Type 9 Calmness |||||| 30%

    type score type behavior motivation
    4 22 I must be unique/different to survive.
    8 15 I must be strong and in control to survive.
    1 13 I must be perfect and good to survive.
    5 12 I must be knowledgeable to survive.
    9 7 I must maintain peace/calm to survive.
    7 6 I must be fun and entertained to survive.
    2 5 I must be helpful and caring to survive.
    6 5 I must be secure and safe to survive.
    3 2 I must be impressive and attractive to survive.

    Your main type is Type 4
    Your variant stacking is sp/sx/so
    Your level of health is very low, i.e. very unhealthy

    Socionics, which I don't understand at all: http://www.sociotype.com/tests/resul....tfsnrLmr.dpuf

    Your Sociotype: EII-1Fi (INFj)

    Brief Description of the EII

    Using introverted feeling as her base function and extroverted intuition as her creative, the EII is adept at understanding people's internal drive and motivation. She often acts reserved, respectful, and polite around others she does not know well but will eventually open up more. She implicitly trusts her intuition when judging someone, and this intuition serves her well at grasping more abstract concepts. EIIs need to constantly set new goals for themselves and they care deeply about meeting these goals. However it should be noted that these goals are very personal, and she places less weight on the conventional achievements that society values, so often any correlation is largely coincidental. At her best, the EII is known for respecting other people's beliefs and values while also being an overachiever at school and work; at her worst, the EII's compassion and empathy can cause her undue harm when the people she cares about are suffering. Overall, the EII cares about diligence, meeting one's individuals goals, and respecting others; she distates behavior that is overtly loud, abrasive, or aggressive. Learn more about the EII here!

    Other Possible Types

    IEE (ENFp): 86% as likely as EII.
    IEI (INFp): 59% as likely as EII.
    ESI (ISFj): 59% as likely as EII.

    Just for reference and regardless of which MBTI type I actually am (I don't have much faith in MBTI) I think the theory that 1 and 2 comprise the majority of INFJ is false. I believe the majority of INFJ's are 4, 9 and 1.

    Inferiority Complex Description 0-1, I've always been a bit volatile, which includes flipping out if I have felt offended or challenged (literally since childhood). As I have grown more consistently healthy, I've toned that down but out of self control and self respect, not out of fear. Fear is death.
    Last edited by small.wonder; 05-05-2014 at 10:50 AM. Reason: Inferiority Complex thing.
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    Inferiority complex surrounding asserting oneself or asserting ones' dominance over others. The individual extremely dislikes overly aggressive people but cannot voice any opinion concerning aggressive people due to fear of being a new target for others' assertive nature. Fears being criticized for lack of self-assertion, as this is perceived as one's main flaw as an individual, aggressive, domineering nature seen as somewhat evil and patronizing (yet also somewhat perceived as admirable with a twinge of envy). Intolerant of conflict, disliking to take place in any conflict due not because it disturbs the peace but because one cannot take a strong stance against another without ultimately losing somehow. Wants badly to self-assert themselves, but any attempts at doing so ultimately fail, always.
    Not true. I am not aggressive by nature, but I am not a coward either. I can speak up for myself. When I was younger, I was more of a coward indeed, but right now this paragraph sounds so wrong. So, I would say 1.

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    I'd like to say that this has answered a lot for me. I've remotely related to only two people (IEI/INFJ) on this forum (the only one I'm on)... and as for the 'Inferiority Complex Description' -- I have two, close friends (INFj) who could identify with it. I'd often feel very similar to them when we'd have our chats... but a major thing that I've noticed is that when we'd meet new people and there would be someone who was somewhat 'rowdy'... these gals may not say much (when they'd often otherwise contribute in some way), yet might tell me afterward that they were a bit impressed. They tend to be homebodies who really enjoy talking about people (but not always being around them), which I could also relate to, at times (which is why we're friends, although I cannot be content with this for as long as they can).

    I should also note that I am not neurotic... and can have a harder time connecting with those who are, as I'd have to work harder to regulate their emotions (not always, just with some friends/acquaintances during prolonged interactions).

    [4w3 5w4 1w2 sx/so]

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    Damnit. I'm one letter short from being part of this conversation.
    “If you worry about what might be, and wonder what might have been, you will ignore what is.” -anonymous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eluded_One View Post
    Damnit. I'm one letter short from being part of this conversation.
    Not really.
    To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eluded_One View Post
    Damnit. I'm one letter short from being part of this conversation.
    Be our guest... I am curious about your enneagram results...

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