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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    Its interesting that your family expects you to be more outgoing. My mom and her boyfriend are the only people who seem to push that mindset on me (an ESTJ and ESFJ respectively) Most of my family makes fun of me for being "lazy" and not having loads of friends but its all out of good fun because for the most part we are all the same way in that respect.
    Yeah, my family used to think that I didn't like them or that I was "too good for them." I was kind of hurt that they would think that way about me, but they just don't understand. My oldest brother is also introverted, so at least he gets bothered some too.
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    I've always admired the cooperative nature of East Asian cultures. Even if it is seemingly beaten/drilled into everyone. The fact that Tokyo is so densely populated yet so immaculately clean speaks for itself.

    The few Japanese I've spoken to seem very attentive to nonverbal details when conversing. They're very non-intrusive and often double check to make sure both parties are on the same page. "Should we go here? Is it ok with you?" It was rather refreshing, I thought.

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    I've been living in Japan about 10 years now and I felt it was ISFJ also. Of course there is all types of people but each country seems to have a certain type which is held up as the norm.
    The thing about reserved emotions is true but people do show there emotions you just have to pay attention and know the rules. It seems like people are hiding their feelings but if you live here long enough the truth is as clear as day.
    Individualistic and group mentality. Japanese are actually more accepting of people individuality than a lot of other cultures I've encountered. You are expected to do your part socially, we all have responsibility socially but as an individual you are free to express yourself.
    I agree with what Kestral said too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I've been living in Japan about 10 years now and I felt it was ISFJ also. Of course there is all types of people but each country seems to have a certain type which is held up as the norm.
    The thing about reserved emotions is true but people do show there emotions you just have to pay attention and know the rules. It seems like people are hiding their feelings but if you live here long enough the truth is as clear as day.
    Individualistic and group mentality. Japanese are actually more accepting of people individuality than a lot of other cultures I've encountered. You are expected to do your part socially, we all have responsibility socially but as an individual you are free to express yourself.
    I agree with what Kestral said too.
    I think what attracts me to visit such a place is the fact that it's so much different there. It would be very interesting to learn how to socially adapt to a country that runs so completely different than my own. I wonder if this is related to my Fe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    I've been living in Japan about 10 years now and I felt it was ISFJ also. Of course there is all types of people but each country seems to have a certain type which is held up as the norm.
    The thing about reserved emotions is true but people do show there emotions you just have to pay attention and know the rules. It seems like people are hiding their feelings but if you live here long enough the truth is as clear as day.
    Individualistic and group mentality. Japanese are actually more accepting of people individuality than a lot of other cultures I've encountered. You are expected to do your part socially, we all have responsibility socially but as an individual you are free to express yourself.
    I agree with what Kestral said too.
    my friend who lives in japan makes it seem like there is nothing underneath. that there is no space for self-fashioning or cultivating individual expression. he lives in a dying town where the young people move away, start careers, and then have their parents tell them to come home and start over in their dying town. there is no interior space that is not squeezed out and wrung dry. he says there was a post-war boom but everything culturally (artistically) is stagnant as a result.

    i think istj and especially isfj seem right. i imagine infj enjoys japan bc it is ok to be introverted, no one is invasive, and the NiFe allows them to grasp profound truths about the culture while recognizing the highly symbolic interaction in those around them. plus infj loves anime!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    my friend who lives in japan makes it seem like there is nothing underneath. that there is no space for self-fashioning or cultivating individual expression. he lives in a dying town where the young people move away, start careers, and then have their parents tell them to come home and start over in their dying town. there is no interior space that is not squeezed out and wrung dry. he says there was a post-war boom but everything culturally (artistically) is stagnant as a result.
    That's true too I suppose. That's all I can say. I think it really depends on your perspective.
    There is a space for individual expression. But just like anywhere you have to accept the blows that go along with self expression. That's the same in any culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the state i am in View Post
    i think istj and especially isfj seem right. i imagine infj enjoys japan bc it is ok to be introverted, no one is invasive, and the NiFe allows them to grasp profound truths about the culture while recognizing the highly symbolic interaction in those around them. plus infj loves anime!
    these are what i've often considered that Japan is more of INFJ than ISFJ .
    I don't know..maybe because I've never really lived there for a long period of time to really experience it.
    but based from my 2-weeks vacation last year, and also so many movies, anime, friends, and basically any 'cultural' things from Japan, I can vow that they all indeed have these 'quirkiness' tendency that, as you all can also look and testify, makes Japan kept sprouting-out many 'weirdest' things (or inventions), which is not very 'sensible' (S) in a way?..
    even in movies, brilliant ideas , in a sense of very eccentric & 'non-sensical' ideas, also usually comes from Japan. like that popular Hollywood triology: Matrix series. at first, I've thought wow, this is really a fresh 'out-of-this-world' kind of movie coming out from Hollywood, that I like very much. but only after further research, i've found out that the idea originally was from Japanese's "Ghost in The Shell" anime.
    there are many many other examples, like how cartoons in America is often likened to kids-market, while in Japan, you get unique and 'eccentric' anime like Neon Genesis Evangelion, Serial experiment Lain, which IMO, is highly 'intuitive' , and many other 'weird' stuff.
    all of these is what makes me seriously think that most Japanese people are of INFJ nature.

    maybe the ISFJ is due to the survey/research being taken on the 'surface' level of corporate/industry-people , which many or most people tend to just 'camouflage' in order to fit-in to the 'professional image', or something like that..but not really genuine of them.
    I tend to see the whole 'cultural' thing as more genuine than what you found in 'corporate' setting, always.

    well, that's my view, but i could be wrong, though (like I said, i haven't lived or stayed long enough to really experience Japan. i've only based it from my keen observations & 2-weeks experience only).
    any thoughts on this one?

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    symbolic interactions can be acted out just as easily with s than with n. the reason why everything in america becomes a figure of speech, a cliche, etc. they become flattened and just directly causal and their metaphor becomes vapid.

    as far as anime goes, yes they have produced some great anime. their past is very interesting w/ such sharply defined historical periods and the cultural history that is explored in their imagined and remembered cultural collective past lends itself to a lot of very insightful moments. i think the serial animes that we find so valuable are akin to the very best we have, whereas most of their visual culture is even trashier and more pointless than ours (sj).

    2 things:
    my friend DESPISES japanese film, it's worse than hispanic soap opera
    he has NO IDEA how someone like murakami could exist in japan, it boggles his mind

    keep in mind that he is an extremely idealistic infp, and he has very specific values that are life and death with him. still, i find it interesting.

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    I live in Korea and I've been to Japan, now granted, my year of experience is nothing compared to (I think I read someone had 10 years) some others. I'm reading a book on the differences between western and eastern culture and I'd say one of the big differences is WESTERN LOGIC. From the book eastern culture never actually had a logic movement the likes of socrates and plato and aristotle. Ever. Their society has revolved around what is "reasonable" and what is cultural for milenia. This is where I tend to have a problem. As an INFP I find myself saying, "why are you doing it like that? what do you mean you don't know? wouldn't it be better to do it this way? Wait, why do you want me to sit down over there?" lol....yeah. Japan is definately more reserved behavioraly than Korea, but they're freer to pursue their own interests and dress how they like. They're still expected to follow social regulations and the age/business heirarchy. Violence seems acceptable in both cultures. I would actually think that Korea is eStJ. The Japanese by comparasine seem more IxxJ (for the week that I spent there just basically staring at them. I didn't have a lot of money so it was really all I had to do). I think that, at first blush Japan definately seems more ISTJ. I think this is what has allowed them to progress more in the world than any of the other Asian countries. Still, there are exceptions. Both China and Japan, though Japan especially have shown an ablity to think abstractly through scifi and fantasy movies, cartoons, and books. They control their culture rigidly through the seemily western mechanism of pop-culture as well as through public education. It's interesting but I think that here is where it becomes a culture and not a personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hideki View Post
    I forgot somewhere on the web INFJ is like the main personality type for Japan. Anyone know anything between INFJ and the country Japan?

    Also, any INFJs experience encountering japanese people? Everytime I go to this japanese restaurant everyone always smiles at me, and I get treated so nice...it's one of those INFJs experiences (being called weird/not here)
    hmmm this could be true. i mean relating INFJs to japan. i myself started a thread once (which never really took off ) relating country to types. but no one ( i think) came up with a country for japan.
    i was thinking of INTPs. but then again they are a bit too social in their own terms to be INTPs. i guess INFJ fit the bill. nice, smart, creative, helpful, lovable, cultural, respectful

    but then again they are also supported the NAZI pigs in the 2WW which took their rights to maintain an army(thank heavens).

    so i guess the Japan is best matched to INFJs as long as they don't get to carry a gun.

    but the smiling thing is to get your money honey. i wud do the same. but i am far from been an infj.

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