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    I don't know ENTJs that well as a type yet, but I'd definitely date an INTJ. At the moment they'd be near the top of the list for me.

    The ENTJs on here are really entertaining though.
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    Okay, I adore-let me rephrase-worship the few ENTjs I know. I promote them to the status of dieties in terms of organizational dynamics.

    all from a distance.

    These guys are the ones I want pushing my "mission" forwards. I am so surrounded by stupid people at times that the ENTJ mantra of destroy the useless is such a breath of fresh air. (my entp buddy says I am a pretty crappy feeler. I just like watching SJs quiver)

    I could totally sleep w an ENTJ and find them incredibly sexy, but not at all for a relationship. More like a "daddy, please spank me sort of way..." and then I get the hell out of there.

    I am too old (32) and independednt to have someone else control my day to day activities.

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    for a while i thought i was. turns out she was just bi polar lol. so i dated an ESFP (that was extremely fun, and im not being sarcastic) and i sorta dated an ISTJ (kinda wish i fully had, probably would have done me some good).
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    Quote Originally Posted by happy puppy View Post

    I could totally sleep w an ENTJ and find them incredibly sexy, but not at all for a relationship. More like a "daddy, please spank me sort of way..."
    :yim_rolling_on_the_

    And 'yes' to the secret love of their 'destroy the stupid/ignorant!' war-cry which my 'FP' prevents me doing.

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    most people are not nearly as one dimensional as MBTI says they are:

    examples:
    the average person who tests ENXP is not as wild and crazy as this forum says they are.
    the average person who tests ISXJ is not as robotic as this forum says they are.
    the average person who tests ESXJ is not as much of a control freak as this forum says they are.
    and finally, ENTJs are not assholes by definition. nothing in the type description says we have to be assholes.


    im ENTJ and i have NEVER tried to 'control' the girl i'm pursuing. i have NEVER tried to just 'steamroll' an argument (with a chick im intimate with), mainly because ENTJs can avoid arguments to begin with (with proper communication). i dont want a fucking pet (though i may joke here n there), i want an equal.
    Finally, everytime someone has a 'crazy ex' they assume they are INFJ. every time someone has an 'asshole ex' they assume they are ENTJ. Which is of course bullshit, unless you actually made them take the test.

    this thread hardly makes mention of ENFPs opinions of ENTJs. This thread is basically the ENFP opinion of assholes.



    My best friend of many years (in my short life thus far), has taken the test and is ENFP. We have joked about trying to find each other in the female form haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Modern Nomad View Post
    Man... I just recently ended a relationship with an ENTJ.

    Something from the beginning was very odd that I couldn't understand. Maybe I am just an attention whore, but she had a very cold side that I did not want to believe existed, especially if it came to me!

    I tried to make it work, but in the end, I think part of me thought she was immature in the way she handled things, and being that we are both younger siblings, I had to "beat" her by being more immature than her. Omg, that was hell. I became this pretty evil person I never was in a relationship before.

    There's a CS Lewis quote "In order to slay a dragon, don't become a dragon yourself". I think I failed. Even the break up process was this very immature way of "Im the one who broke up with you" that I felt her trying to calculate, and push into my face when I first suggested maybe we aren't a good match for each other. It is still going on, my gawd. Its like this huge battle, I ended up going back to an ex, who was so much more warm hearted than her... im not even sure what personality type she is... but anyways, I don't want to feel like somoene has to win the "I broke up with you" battle, but i feel like she is leaving me no choice but to think of it that way...

    I dunno, I guess I was wondering if there was anyone else out there who knows about ENFP and ENTJ relationships and how it went.
    you just had a bad experience. thats all. anytype cpuld act like that in a relationship. its not because ENTJ - ENFP combination is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    most people are not nearly as one dimensional as MBTI says they are:

    examples:
    the average person who tests ENXP is not as wild and crazy as this forum says they are.
    the average person who tests ISXJ is not as robotic as this forum says they are.
    the average person who tests ESXJ is not as much of a control freak as this forum says they are.
    and finally, ENTJs are not assholes by definition. nothing in the type description says we have to be assholes.


    im ENTJ and i have NEVER tried to 'control' the girl i'm pursuing. i have NEVER tried to just 'steamroll' an argument (with a chick im intimate with), mainly because ENTJs can avoid arguments to begin with (with proper communication). i dont want a fucking pet (though i may joke here n there), i want an equal.
    Finally, everytime someone has a 'crazy ex' they assume they are INFJ. every time someone has an 'asshole ex' they assume they are ENTJ. Which is of course bullshit, unless you actually made them take the test.

    this thread hardly makes mention of ENFPs opinions of ENTJs. This thread is basically the ENFP opinion of assholes.



    My best friend of many years (in my short life thus far), has taken the test and is ENFP. We have joked about trying to find each other in the female form haha
    YOU WANT AN EQUAL NOW. YOU DEMAND AN EQUAL. THE EQUAL SHALL BE YOURS!!!!!!!!

    sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry!!! love you bnches but it was just too much fun to miss!!!!!!!!!

    actually there are stupid, asshole people of every type. I really do adore entjs. I even had a total crush on a chick entj once. Well i have had crushes on actually all the entjs I have known, however that is an n=3, so I need more datums.

    most people are scared of entjs. terrified honestly. I just watch them and then come back to them at thier own level and am really fine w them. I can handle an entj much better than an estj

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    I'm sorry if it comes off as an ENFP opinion of assholes! All the ENTJs I know took advantage of my willingness to help and provide emotional support and abused the shit out of it. I know this isn't indicative of ENTJs as a whole, but damn, I've been burned pretty bad by your type overall. There's a certain kind of insecure ENTJ who, when faced with a pretty naive ENFP (that would be me!) just wants to abuse and manipulate.

    I have noticed that ENTJs can be really really mean to ENFPs without ever noticing it. My father has straight up broken my heart with things he has said. It is like he found the meanest thing to say to me and then said it and then pretended that he had no idea it was mean. My eventual conclusion was that some ENTJs just don't come with the blinking light in their head that goes "That was mean, you probably shouldn't say that."

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    its good for us ^
    "Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress. "

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    Talking I have!

    I am an ENFP currently in a relationship with an ENTJ! It's AWESOME.

    We were inseparable within a couple weeks of meeting, we were those best friends everyone assumed would end up together. I thought everyone was right, lol, but he had his logical mind set on somebody else, so being the ENFP I am I did my best to help him end up with her so he could be happy. Which is weird, because I knew he had feelings for me. I guess I just trusted his judgment, if he thought she was better for him, I respected that.

    Our friendship was ridiculously amazing, even if it hurt me. I understood him better than anyone from the start, always knew what he was trying to say, always understood his logic and his underlying emotions. I understood that when he came across as harsh, it was his way of trying to care for people. But I never took any crap from him. If he was being manipulative, I called him on it with humour, and we would end up amused and teasing each other. (Like, one time when we'd just met he wanted me to go to a party I had no interest in attending, and he steamrolled over me on the phone, ignored my protests, then somehow made it seem like he was doing me a favour by getting people to pick me up. I literally stamped my foot, growled, and huffed, "Don't think I don't know what you're doing, buster! I don't want to go, and you know it, and you're tricking me into this! You won't always get away with this! GRR!"

    "Hehehe...Okay, I'll see you soon," he replied, and hung up. LOL!)

    I was pretty happy when his logic caught up with his emotions a few months later, he was like, "Oh wait, I don't actually love the other girl, I love her...okay, done deal. Now I just get her to marry me. Step one, dating first."

    It was all very amusing. He tried to verbally get me in a corner where I admitted I had feelings for him beyond friendship, so he could be certain of success (my ENTJ is rather tenderhearted, he had no interest in being hurt as he has been in the past)...but I was angry and stubborn and was very tricky and I tricked him into admitting it before I did. It wasn't easy though, he's so refreshingly intelligent. I like our banter and debate times. (Unless it gets too heated for me, in which case I tell him I need to stop due to anger or hurt or irritation or whatever. He's always like, "What the heck? Alright, whatever." HA! But I would despise a guy I could always outwit and outmaneuver. He's actually the only one I've met who I can't.)

    We've been together for 8 months or so, and it's great. We're both Christian, so our values are the same, and he's decided that to be a real man he has to ensure that he loves me and looks after me in greater ways all the time, no matter what it takes. I am ridiculously lucky! He's someone I can always always count on, and he never bores me (unless he decides that I need to hear a lecture on some obscure topic he's an expert on, but I fully support his bizarre brilliance and usually let him ramble), and he teaches me to stand up for myself and to keep my priorities rational. He also stands up for me if I can't stand up for myself, which I appreciate. I give him unconditional love, laughter, understanding, a never-ending challenge (poor ENTJ, do you think he'll ever understand my crazy emotional landscape?), and I help him understand people and how to deal with them more effectively. (ME: "Tact!! Goodness me, that was not very tactful...if you want them to listen and not get their backs up, word it like this... " HIM: "But that way sounds gay. Can't I just tell them they're all idiots and should listen to me?" ME: "Good grief...no.") I spend a lot of time smoothing things over for him, lol. I let him be the leader, though my vast quantities of backbone and energy sometimes result in me trying to take the reigns without even realizing it. I'm working on not doing that though, it hurts him, makes him feel like I don't trust his leadership.

    There are challenges, but we both look out for the other's best interests, which I think is a lot of what makes this work. We've had conflicts over me being emotionally self-sacrificing (ie: letting people hurt me and smiling through it), which he won't tolerate because it's dishonest and lets him and others walk on me. So, I don't do that anymore, and I'm much better off for it, as is our relationship. And we've had conflicts over him being controlling and inconsiderate, which makes me want to hop on a plane and never return or PUNCH HIM, lol, so he doesn't do that much anymore. He's still the leader, but he's (gasp shock horror!) a very sensitive one. If he hurts me or angers me we deal with it, lol. We also had conflicts over my absolute NEED to escape and travel and see things, and his absolute NEED to not have me out of his sight. We resolved this by agreeing to travel a lot together. Easy! ^_^ He's just as curious about the world and generally ~weird~ as I am, so it works. Another major conflict has been my commitment phobia, but I don't ever want to be with anyone else and I trust him, so it's not an issue...unless he starts talking about too far in the future and mentions kids. Then I panic. *cue me screaming here* So although we're agreed that one day far far in the future we'll have them, we very decidedly DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT. Hahaha.

    I know, I ramble. I just love him a ridiculous amount. We need each other, we're much better off together than apart.

    Do I recommend that all ENFPs look for an ENTJ? ABSOLUTELY NOT. It takes a lot of maturity and work and attraction and selflessness for this to work. That goes for any relationship, I realize this, but I think some personality combinations can get by together easier than others. I can see how an ENFP-ENTJ relationship could go very horribly. But...if you find yourself with a good match between these types, I'm telling you, when it works, it REALLY works!


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