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    @Standuble
    Noooo. I believe with all my heart in the divine INFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    In contrary INFPs will see this and truly try to convenience you that they are not to be praised because they are truly defective. (I took the liberty of taking that to imply that opposed to the false humility of the INFJ the INFPs are truly humble.)
    I think a more balanced way to look at this is to be aware that INFP's often lack confidence in their own conclusions. Without the presence of Ji in the top three functions, we doubt our outer presentation of perceptions and question potential conclusions incessantly, in a way that I--J doesn't seem to once voiced. Due to this, INFP's often over-weight the conclusiveness of others in any decision-making, since they seem so certain. Meaning, if we presented to the outer world as that certain, wow, we would be REALLY certain, so that person must be REALLY certain too!

    It kind of leads us to feeling defective. But over time, it also lends to us an ability to see how other types draw conclusions and how they can tend to cherry-pick data to support those conclusions.

    So, see this as an inherent questioning of ourselves all of the time as opposed to humility. The outward decisiveness Je lends to an I--J means they sometimes latch onto ideas like this thread with more gusto if it supports an already formulated opinion.

    I feel that, in the context of this thread, what OA says has a grain of truth to it - that an INFJ would feel more alignment than an INFP with a positive thread like this. They would feel like they are more appreciated by a thread like this, and pleased that the type in general is being appreciated. Do you agree with that? I don't think it says anything bad about INFJ's in particular that this is so. OA makes her point using words that grate on you, with the hot-button of "humility" thrown in, and I think that's too bad because it means the point gets lost on you being offended by that.

    Caveat:
    I realize as an Ni dom you don't feel interiorly certain, but what you present to the world is much more certain. You've drawn some sort of conclusion, which I'm aware is more malleable than it seems at face-value.

    eta: I don't see the cherry-picking as specifically being a conscious choice. And I see the spoofy-aspect of this thread, and I know an INFJ would question the motives of it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I feel that, in the context of this thread, what OA says has a grain of truth to it - that an INFJ would feel more alignment than an INFP with a positive thread like this. They would feel like they are more appreciated by a thread like this, and pleased that the type in general is being appreciated. Do you agree with that?
    There is truth to that and I have said as much in all of my other posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I don't think it says anything bad about INFJ's in particular that this is so. OA makes her point using words that grate on you, with the hot-button of "humility" thrown in, and I think that's too bad because it means the point gets lost on you being offended by that.
    This is false 100%. I don't see how a point can be lost on me if I have already stated I agree with a good portion of it. I have no idea how people are still getting the idea that I am offended. I am not offend and I have basically said as much in the post you quote. This is getting redundant but as I have said before I was merely poking fun at the irony between the delivery and the assertion (you seem to notice the langue is fiery also). Which I also stated in no uncertain terms (so I thought) in the post you quote.It actually seems to me that some of the INFPs misunderstood me and got offended. For that allow me to apologize for my part in the misunderstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    This is false 100%. I don't see how a point can be lost on me if I have already stated I agree with a good portion of it. I have no idea how people are still getting the idea that I am offended. I am not offend and I have basically said as much in the post you quote. This is getting redundant but as I have said before I was merely poking fun at the irony between the delivery and the assertion (you seem to notice the langue is fiery also). Which I also stated in no uncertain terms (so I thought) in the post you quote.It actually seems to me that some of the INFPs misunderstood me and got offended. For that allow me to apologize for my part in the misunderstanding.
    Hmm, you're looking at me choosing the word "offended" now, sorry about that! I don't think I'm wrong that you didn't like the idea of "false humility" - and I think that's a fair complaint from your perspective, and you delivered your thoughts with some tongue-in-cheek, and I got that too. To my ears, you do sound a little annoyed and defensive in your reply to me as well. If you're not feeling this way, I suppose I'm picking it up from tone and word choices, but if that's incorrect, I apologize for assuming you felt a bit of annoyance in there.

    I don't feel offended myself from what you've posted, and although I appreciate you extending an apology, rest-assured, not necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Hmm, you're looking at me choosing the word "offended" now, sorry about that! I don't think I'm wrong that you didn't like the idea of "false humility" - and I think that's a fair complaint from your perspective, and you delivered your thoughts with some tongue-in-cheek, and I got that too. To my ears, you do sound a little annoyed and defensive in your reply to me as well. If you're not feeling this way, I suppose I'm picking it up from tone and word choices, but if that's incorrect, I apologize for assuming you felt a bit of annoyance in there.

    I don't feel offended myself from what you've posted, and although I appreciate you extending an apology, rest-assured, not necessary.
    There was a ting of irritation but it was not about the issue at hand. I generally don't respond well to the idea that something I have said "smells of st00pid" lol. That was pretty much the only thing the irked me about any interaction on this thread. I have dealt with that and now I’m fine promise lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    No…you have convinced me that you are trying to assert you are somehow superior because you admit you are defective lol. That on some level other types are more defective in that they are defective and don't know it. You on the other hand are above disillusionment. So in being aware of your defectiveness you are somehow less defective. I wasn’t convinced of anything before but now I am almost certain. lol
    There goes the INFJ trying to tell me what my motives are without examining their own. I laid bare my motives, hence any winky faces & spoiler text which explain I'm being cantankerous on purpose (and it was mostly a jab at myself). This is the common deflection INFJs use also... I've learned these conversations go nowhere. I can explain 100 times over what I meant, and they will insist it's something else so as to avoid dealing with the real issue.


    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    OA literally says false humility lol. Please if I misunderstood this correct me. What I got out of this is if INFJs were the center of this thread they would secretly agree but claim they did not.
    I don't know what people secretly think, but I observe how they act and what they say. I would see light protest at most (like when someone protests a compliment but seems to have expected it), with nothing being directly countered. There might be some "but this is at the cost of sacrificing myself!", the pain of being "too perfect".

    The thread would then be diverted into examining the motives of the OP. No real dissection of the INFJ would be allowed.

    This is observation more than prediction. It's a pattern. I can't help what other people do.


    In addition the INFJ lovers would sing their praises because MBTI profiles seem to perpetuate the idea of INFJ superiority. (Which I pretty much agree with in my other post) In contrary INFPs will see this and truly try to convenience you that they are not to be praised because they are truly defective. (I took the liberty of taking that to imply that opposed to the false humility of the INFJ the INFPs are truly humble.)
    No, INFPs will not necessarily turn down praise nor are we incapable of bragging, etc. But it may only be accepted when "seen for who we are", warts and all. Or else it just doesn't have meaning. Because we (often) recognize people become enamored with fantasies. This thread is not all that flattering, then. I made that point when I noted that the INFP ego is not all that flattered by being told we're sweet & nice & stuff like that. Most simply don't know how to play to our egos.

    All I was saying is that was a truly ironic way of making that point.
    What better way is there to make a point?

    Perhaps since you find my understanding is so obviously flawed you can enlighten as to why it “smells of St00pid” to point out what I perceive to be irony between the assertion of OAs post and it’s delivery.
    Pointing out the irony is pretty much the same as "explaining a joke". I usually go the tragic route, and I thought I kept that flair here.
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    Hahahahahhaahha...INFPs being the perfect type, that's rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbey View Post
    Hahahahahhaahha...INFPs being the perfect type, that's rich.
    I invented an axiom that goes: How do we create the “perfect” future? – Perfection is your own vision that you desire to manifest and can “will” into being, but it cannot limit the visions of other beings.

    Well, INFPs have the most powerful Fi desires, and can generate Ne fantasies from them, all on the individual level, so others can do the same. Therefore, INFP is indeed the perfect type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    Hello Mr. Raptor,

    FTR I voted no. *shows INFP "Get Out Of Jail FREE" card*

    While the qualities you've listed are mostly accurate they are not the end all be all by any means and while situationally useful are lacking in many a context that are both useful and meaningful.
    This. I would also add that, in some cases, some of these aren't actually true .
    Jarlaxle: fact checking this thread makes me want to go all INFP on my wrists

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    Do you mean perfect or most able/willing to create the "perfect" future?
    INFPs are, indeed, called "idealists", but not "the ideal" haha.

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