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    Okay, I am curious. Please do not take this the wrong way. I'm new and still learning.

    I was curious as to whether or not NF types actually express themselves differently than NT types. Or do they exhibit the same behaviors but act for different reasons? In other words, do they come to similar conclusions through different means, or do they come to totally different conclusions?

    Although I realize there are some threads about this, this distinction is not really apparent to me. Perhaps someone can clarify in simpler terms.

    Related to another thread on here: Do NF males exhibit different behavior than NF females?

    Or do all NFs and NTs act differently regardless of gender?

    Just curious - I am really not trying to start a whirlwind. I would just like to have a definitive, clear answer, if possible.
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    Actually, Little, I'd say that besides the S/N difference among types, the biggest difference is between a male and female of the same type. Male ISTJs, to me, don't act like ISTJ females. Same with my type, ENFJ. We have a lot of common ground, but I find the dynamic changes quite a lot with gender. My friend Taco is ENFJ and we kill ourselves laughing, but he's a lot more aggressive and verbal than me.

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    I know that my husband (INTP) and I act pretty differently. I'm more outgoing and warm while he is withdrawn or silly. We find that we do come to a lot of the same conclusions via very different means.

    As far as gender/type behavior, I don't have enough data to have formed a solid opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    Actually, Little, I'd say that besides the S/N difference among types, the biggest difference is between a male and female of the same type. Male ISTJs, to me, don't act like ISTJ females. Same with my type, ENFJ. We have a lot of common ground, but I find the dynamic changes quite a lot with gender. My friend Taco is ENFJ and we kill ourselves laughing, but he's a lot more aggressive and verbal than me.

    And please feel free to ask any questions you may have!
    I don't agree... I'd just say it more likely that the male / female differences where the type is the same may be mistyping. Are you sure of the types (ie are these from validated tests, rather than you ascribing types to these people?)

    In my experience, people of both genders but the same type (types confirmed by formal testing) act largely the same. i can think of 4 ISTJs in my workplace, 2 male and 2 female, and the similarities are scary. I struggle to think of any noticeable personality differences. Similarly, I know some female INTPs who are remarkably similar to the male INTPs.

    I'd say that when there is a perceived male/female difference it is often a mistyping in disguise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Okay, I am curious. Please do not take this the wrong way. I'm new and still learning.

    I was curious as to whether or not NF types actually express themselves differently than NT types. Or do they exhibit the same behaviors but act for different reasons? In other words, do they come to similar conclusions through different means, or do they come to totally different conclusions?
    My understanding is that the types are basically descriptions of cognitive processing styles. While these can have behavioral implications, there is a tendency to overemphasize these behavioral aspects in discussions. For example, ascribing a temper, low self-esteem, arrogance, morality, kindness, sensuality, etc. to a particular type has problems. Our environments, beliefs, culture, etc. all influence our behaviors. Our temperaments determine how we process these. The way one thinks about a scenario can have some influence on their behavior, but the external input likely has more influence. I'm in the camp that sees value in focusing more on discussions on cognitive processing over external behavior for a number of reasons: it is based core concepts that have more universal applications, and it has less judgmental implications - it's too abstract for snap judgments and prejudicial thinking.

    I don't consider myself an expert on this, but I do appreciate the complexities involved in people. You might not get much clarity on the subject because there are not clear distinctions available?

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    I'd say that when there is a perceived male/female difference it is often a mistyping in disguise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    I'd say that when there is a perceived male/female difference it is often a mistyping in disguise.
    QFT.

    The biggest difference in emotional expression comes from the last two letters.

    TPs put emotions through that Ti machine to see why and if they're valid, TJs may have strong emotions but will try to tone them down for objectivity's and professionalism's sake, FJs will use emotions as a bargaining chip, and FPs will see emotion as an end in and of itself.

    This doesn't really change through gender. I guess the thing that would most change would be FJs (because the way emotional barganing goes with men and women is different in society) followed by the TJs (who would find expression as a means to an end, so it may be useful). FPs and TPs don't really change, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    In my experience, people of both genders but the same type (types confirmed by formal testing) act largely the same. i can think of 4 ISTJs in my workplace, 2 male and 2 female, and the similarities are scary. I struggle to think of any noticeable personality differences. Similarly, I know some female INTPs who are remarkably similar to the male INTPs.
    I guess I've seen pairs of each in my experience. Maybe even three categories -- a feminine version, a masculine version, and a gray ambiguous version in between that includes people from both genders.

    Unfortunately, it's hard to quantify, it's more of an aura/feeling.

    Again, I usually go back to the "slider" concept. Every attribute works on a slider, and you can sometimes create people who look similar depending on how you move the sliders, even if they don't share the same initial ranges of parameters. (minor example: Why SFPs sometimes get mistaken for N's...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    I don't agree... I'd just say it more likely that the male / female differences where the type is the same may be mistyping. Are you sure of the types (ie are these from validated tests, rather than you ascribing types to these people?)
    Here, I only cite the people I know who've been tested. By difference, I mean that the women make ISTJ personality more "female" than the men, not that they act COMPLETELY different. When it's said that a house needs a woman's touch, what is meant is that the house needs female energy. You can tell when you walk into a man's home if he lives alone or with a woman. See what I mean?

    I apologize for not being clearer.

    I'd say that when there is a perceived male/female difference it is often a mistyping in disguise.
    That could certainly be the case in many instances.
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    I suppose that, regardless of type, there are differences between the behaviour of men and women, and that those differences are largely cultural. Little girls and little boys are encouraged to behave differently since early childhood. Some kind of behaviour is valued among women and in the same time discouraged among men. The gender roles imposed upon people sure must have some kind of effect in everyone of us, affecting our behaviour and attitudes.

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