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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyedecker View Post

    Do you follow a lot of political-ish pages and groups on facebook?
    I am kind of in a rut politically. I used to support a lot of liberal causes and things like that, but lately I've been questioning a lot of my own assumptions. But generally, a political injustice tugs at my heart strings more than someone's relationship problems.

    The only other thing I have tested as is INTP, and I know I'm not that. I'm far too emotionally involved to be the distant deistic type. And reading a lot of hard science and doing research taxes me.

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    I tend to notice the inherent shallowness and lack of introspection, perceptiveness and self-respect that's beneath their behavior. I don't feel bad when Miley Cyrus or Chris Brown have issues (unless I learn something particular about them that changes my perception of them, although I'm very stubborn), but I do when someone like Fiona Apple does, for whatever reason. I just get a "sense" for who's worthy of sympathy or not; are they just another stupid, self-destructive person, or is there something beneath all that that strikes me as tragic? Other times, it's just an irrational and baseless bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    I tend to notice the lack of introspection, perceptiveness and self-respect that's beneath all of it. I don't feel bad when Miley Cyrus has issues, but I do when someone like Fiona Apple does, for whatever reason.
    everyone has issues, why feel bad for them? issues are a part of life. the end

    p.s. I don't give a fuck about miley cyrus. but i do like fiona apple's music even though i don't know her and have no opinion on her as a person. since i don't know her

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    Quote Originally Posted by taylord View Post
    I am kind of in a rut politically. I used to support a lot of liberal causes and things like that, but lately I've been questioning a lot of my own assumptions. But generally, a political injustice tugs at my heart strings more than someone's relationship problems.

    The only other thing I have tested as is INTP, and I know I'm not that. I'm far too emotionally involved to be the distant deistic type. And reading a lot of hard science and doing research taxes me.
    I tend to lean liberal, although I prefer the term "progressive"

    As an idealist I think it's easy to become jaded with politics. I was really into Obama in 2008, and it's been hard to see him compromise his so-called idealism and go back on promises since he got elected. If Hillary or some other establishment Democrat is nominated in 2016, I will almost certainly go back to the green party, or some other third party.

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    My Fi makes me partial towards people I subconsciously consider to be intrinsically 'good', or people who simply matter to me emotionally. I can sympathize with practically anyone who truly opens up about what's beneath the surface, or at the very least, when it becomes apparent to me. Seeing anyone genuinely suffer or go through genuine self-reflection has more of an immediate impact on me than "my ex is a cunt, I hate my parents, yada, yada, yada". It's complicated.

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    I'd never go for a third party. The way the system is set up, it is set up for a two party system. The third party phenomenon is simply a pawn of the the predominate parties, unfortunately.

    It's not so much Obama going back on his promises, I was prepared for that to happen, but events in my life that have made me see the underlying folly of socialism and its failures. I've been through too much in the last four years to really continue embracing socialist policies. I have always been open minded to what's going on in the right, but until recently have always preferred the left way of thinking. There's a lot of energy on the right that I feel is lacking in the socialist programme. We've had a century of socialism, the 20th century, and I think what's emerging is the century of objectivism and libertarianism, and knowing this is the future I'm kind of re-evaluating a lot of my core premises. It's been a difficult couple years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stansmith View Post
    My Fi makes me partial towards people I subconsciously consider to be intrinsically 'good', or people who simply matter to me emotionally. I can sympathize with practically anyone who truly opens up about what's beneath the surface, or at the very least, when it becomes apparent to me. Seeing anyone genuinely suffer or go through genuine self-reflection has more of an immediate impact on me than "my ex is a cunt, I hate my parents, yada, yada, yada". It's complicated.
    Yeah, I think I'd be more open to feeling something for people if they adopted a more soulful approach to their problems rather than a combative, destructive and immature approach you find on Facebook and social media. But even sometimes when people open up about their deep wounds and their failures, I tend to make a joke of it rather than absorb it. It's hard for me to connect with people with personal, selfish concerns for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taylord View Post
    Yeah, I think I'd be more open to feeling something for people if they adopted a more soulful approach to their problems rather than a combative, destructive and immature approach you find on Facebook and social media. But even sometimes when people open up about their deep wounds and their failures, I tend to make a joke of it rather than absorb it. It's hard for me to cuonnect with people with personal, selfish concerns for themselves.
    The only consistent pattern I can see with Fi is the focus on what you're feeling about a situation, regardless of its objective emotional magnitude. Fi can be misanthropic, as well as extraordinarily empathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taylord View Post
    I'd never go for a third party. The way the system is set up, it is set up for a two party system. The third party phenomenon is simply a pawn of the the predominate parties, unfortunately.

    It's not so much Obama going back on his promises, I was prepared for that to happen, but events in my life that have made me see the underlying folly of socialism and its failures. I've been through too much in the last four years to really continue embracing socialist policies. I have always been open minded to what's going on in the right, but until recently have always preferred the left way of thinking. There's a lot of energy on the right that I feel is lacking in the socialist programme. We've had a century of socialism, the 20th century, and I think what's emerging is the century of objectivism and libertarianism, and knowing this is the future I'm kind of re-evaluating a lot of my core premises. It's been a difficult couple years.
    Obama's no socialist. Also, socialism hasn't failed in the US because it's never been implemented in full. The public school system...that's socialism for you. It's far from perfect but if the right had their way, they'd abolish it completely. Poor and rural children would pretty much be screwed.

    I think our country's best interests would be met by a healthy blend of capitalism and democratic socialism. You can't have too much of one. I think Obama realizes that, and has actually tried to be a very moderate president, despite the right painting him as an extremist left of Lenin and Marx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyedecker View Post
    Obama's no socialist. Also, socialism hasn't failed in the US because it's never been implemented in full. The public school system...that's socialism for you. It's far from perfect but if the right had their way, they'd abolish it completely. Poor and rural children would pretty much be screwed.

    I think our country's best interests would be met by a healthy blend of capitalism and democratic socialism. You can't have too much of one. I think Obama realizes that, and has actually tried to be a very moderate president, despite the right painting him as an extremist left of Lenin and Marx.
    Every socialist ever for the past 100 years has been saying that first part. "It hasn't been implemented in full! If only this happened there'd be success!" And social democrats trend away from socialist goals rather than toward them. A lot of why socialism hasn't been implemented in the U.S. is because our giant military defense budget makes it impossible and ironically that's exactly why it has succeeded in some European countries (with us paying the defense tab of these countries they are free to spend their budgets on social programs).
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