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    I usually identify as INFP. I've taken the MB and Keirsey tests multiple times and this is usually my result, but there are times I've had INFJ as my outcome. Reading about them, both types seem like they fit me well, and I'm having a hard time discerning. Is it possible to be both? Or to be on the border between F and J?

    I'm shitty at typing other people and myself, so perhaps some more experienced people at this forum can help me.

    Also, I'm new here, so forgive me if a thread already exists for this subject.

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    Judging from your quotes, I'd say INFP, but I realize that's not much to go on.
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    Have you watched this? Warning: starts with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

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    That sort of helped but I need to do some more research

    It refers to NJs using symbols and analogies. I'm big on analogy. I like comparing different scenarios and situations to find common patterns or occurrences. I also have a knack for memorizing things like important dates in history and obscure actors's names, or any other facts that pertain to my interests.

    However I've also been known to pace a lot when talking, which he mentioned NPs do. But I will also take long pauses to think after someone asks me a question. I've noticed this often causes frustration in coworkers, managers, even family members, as they seem to perceive me as being indecisive, when I'm really just trying to work out decisions in my head before speaking.

    I've also been told I express more with my eyes and brow, while the lower half of my face remains less expressive.

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    One time I was out with my wife and some friends. She said something that hurt my feelings and embarrassed me. I suddenly became very quiet and sulked the rest of the night. Our friends obviously knew something was wrong and the whole mood was basically soured because I was butthurt over some stupid comment.

    Would that reaction be more typical for INFP or INFJ?

    Or does the fact that I was so sensitive to begin with indicate one or the other?

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    If you are an INFJ, then you are an Introverted Intuitive Type who uses Extroverted Feeling as a secondary function.
    If you are an INFP, then you are an Introverted Feeling Type who uses Extroverted Intuition as a secondary function.

    Now read Jung's descriptions of each here.
    I suggest reading JH Van Der Hoop's profiles also (they come up if you google it); they are a bit less dense in language but based closely on Jung's ideas.

    I suggest approaching the functions as mindsets, not skill sets or traits. The profiles describe a kind of character born of a general mentality, not thinking styles one switches between to accomplish tasks. The lower functions (tertiary & inferior) are not well differentiated as cognition. They often appear as negative, childish, distorted, and/or very emotional/sentimental in a person. When appearing positively, they often have a very narrow range. The person then DOES tend to apply it to a task; it does not characterize them or dominate their mindset, and it tends to take a lot of energy & deliberate focus to use. The inferior function itself tends to rear its head as an antagonistic force in a person's mind, and when it appears in the personality, we tend to not see it as NOT being "ourselves".

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    Concerning the video: Lady Gaga is not INFP... And builds "report" with people? Does he mean rapport?
    And INFJs do not have "strong introverted thinking". That's their tertiary & it's being highly over-rated. To hear people talk, it may as well be their dominant.

    I find it odd how the inferiors for INFJs are often interpreted positively, as if they are well-developed, whereas the inferiors for INFPs are not. Se for INFJ is discussed as if they are SPs, whereas Te for INFPs is not discussed as if they are TJs (shouldn't we be great leaders, excellent at logistics, exceptional at managing & mobilizing resources, etc?). Instead, it's often emphasized for INFPs how weak Te is. I wonder why INFJs are given such a free pass when it comes to their inferior....

    I've also yet to meet an INFP who - as a part of their character - plans in details, is committed to structure/security, or follows instructions (I can personally struggle with all of those). That is Si in an SJ. Tertiary Si is more impressionistic, perhaps even sentimental. It's more about using past, sensory experiences as pieces of a collage for an idealized reality. It's also heavy on information gathering - acquainting oneself with reality through facts to store & mull over. I'm not surprised the grasp of Si & Fi is poor in that video. It has the distinct flavor of someone in love with iNtuition & who is likely a Fe user (perhaps the speaker is an ENTP...hmmm....), and so the INFJ is given favorable bias once again. Feeling is discussed in terms of outward display of emotion, when feeling is not emotion. The video hardly touches the surface of what Fi is, and doesn't do much justice to Fe either (it's not adjusting to others' moods - it's rational reasoning!!!!!!!).
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    I didn't watch the video clip, but there are some descriptions of "inferior Se" that are pretty negative, including the possibility of unexpected indulgences when under stress. The classic example for an INFJ used is like a pastor who has an affair.

    I find it quite difficult to distinguish between INFP and INFJ when looking at external behavior, partly because both are introverted, dreamers, able to create their own world, caring, distant, etc. The clearest internal cognitive difference I have noticed is that Ti and Fi tend towards precision of thought. Each concept is clearly defined like points on a web. I'm not certain about Si, but Ni-doms tend to think more in approximations with gradual clarification. I think that Si might tend more towards a type of precision, but perhaps it also has a somewhat statistical approach based on experience and concrete knowledge. I find Ni to have an approach similar to statistics, but more willing to encompass the extreme possibilities as well.

    I know that Si and Ni doms are considered more decisive which I have trouble relating to, but that might be because of a tendency to focus on core concepts derived from indistinct, cloudlike masses of concepts. I think the Ti and Fi dom have a different sort of indecision and decisiveness, because it has more to do with navigating the web of ideas and finding the exactly right spot. Each spot is clearly defined, so it can take a while to figure out which specific configurations of concepts fits with a new idea. Does any of this make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    The clearest internal cognitive difference I have noticed is that Ti and Fi tend towards precision of thought. Each concept is clearly defined like points on a web. I'm not certain about Si, but Ni-doms tend to think more in approximations with gradual clarification. I think that Si might tend more towards a type of precision, but perhaps it also has a somewhat statistical approach based on experience and concrete knowledge. I find Ni to have an approach similar to statistics, but more willing to encompass the extreme possibilities as well.
    Yes, this hits on a significant point. Fi is like Ti in seeking an inner consistency. I frequently will point out such inconsistencies (in a an inferior Te, irritated manner). Ni is perceiving - it's vision. Si is also impressionistic - it is not arranging its sensing data internally. That is why they are often spoken of "reviewing" it. The arrangement is Je, and that is focused on outward application with structured approaches.

    The video notes that about Ni, then it goes on to apply that precision of thought to the INFJ also! The INFP is the one who should have precision of thought applied to them, as that's a matter of Ji, not just Ti. The reason this is not done is because of the poor grasp of what Feeling is, and a likely inability to understand that Fi (and Fe) operates "according to the laws of reason" (Jung) and seeks harmony between its valuations - this is a consistency, one Jung argues is even logical. Dario Nardi notes Fi-dom are precise speakers, and Van Der Hoop notes Fi-dom are very careful with word choices when composing their feelings in written form. Fe is not explained well in the video either for similar reasons, and I think the guy focuses on emotional expression because it's likely how he experiences Feeling. Dario Nardi notes that Fe-dom are often the LEAST emotional when expressing valuations, even when using language that is laden with emotional phrasing. This is also consistent with what Jung & Van Der Hoop say about Fe-dom sometimes expressing a feeling but not appearing to be experiencing the associated emotion authentically, and how this differences strikes others as being manipulative (my paraphrasing there). The point here being that valuation is not an emotional process for them as it is with people who have inferior Feeling. Defining it based on their emotional responses is a poor angle to take.
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    Haha...when I read these last few posts I thought, "INFJs are prone to jump out of airplanes when they are stressed. INFPs are prone to make others want to jump out of an airplane when they are stressed." I'm not claiming it's a fact, just saying it was a thought. Then I thought, "Well, really, under stress, INFJs do things they may later regret and INFPs say things they may later regret." I may be wrong; but I'm just saying that reading this post made me think that. You know inferior Se=doing. Inferior Te=extroverted thought process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    The reason this is not done is because of the poor grasp of what Feeling is, and a likely inability to understand that Fi (and Fe) operates "according to the laws of reason" (Jung) and seeks harmony between its valuations - this is a consistency, one Jung argues is even logical. Dario Nardi notes Fi-dom are precise speakers, and Van Der Hoop notes Fi-dom are very careful with word choices when composing their feelings in written form. Fe is not explained well in the video either for similar reasons, and I think the guy focuses on emotional expression because it's likely how he experiences Feeling. Dario Nardi notes that Fe-dom are often the LEAST emotional when expressing valuations, even when using language that is laden with emotional phrasing. This is also consistent with what Jung & Van Der Hoop say about Fe-dom sometimes expressing a feeling but not appearing to be experiencing the associated emotion authentically, and how this differences strikes others as being manipulative (my paraphrasing there). The point here being that valuation is not an emotional process for them as it is with people who have inferior Feeling. Defining it based on their emotional responses is a poor angle to take.
    Actually, I this is very good and it's pretty much right on. Nice job.
    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

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