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    The Goods

    •They're exceptionally perceptive about people and situations. They're often able to quickly and accurately assess where someone is coming from.
    Yes
    •They accept and value people as individuals, and are strongly egalitarian. They believe that individuals have the right to be themselves, and are very tolerant and accepting of most people.
    Yes

    •They're often deep and intelligent, and may be quite brilliant in their ability to tie things together. They're wired to look for connections in the external world, and so may mentally put things together more easily than many.
    Yes

    •Their interest in understanding the world usually makes them in tune with what's socially acceptable and what isn't. This may help them to be popular and likable.
    No!?
    •They're highly creative. This ability may be used in an artistic way, or way to be used to generate ideas and new ways of thinking.
    Not really!? - i like music and play a couple of instruments, but that's mostly it

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    •May be what many would call a "sucker" - vulnerable to schemers and con artists.
    Yes

    •May get themselves into dangerous situations because they are too eager to push the envelope of their understanding, and not willing to apply judgment to anything.
    Yes

    •May feel intense anger towards people who criticise them or try to control them, but will be unable to express the anger. Left unexpressed, the anger may fester, simmer, and become destructive.
    Yes - but I can express it

    •May blame their problems on other people, using logic and ration to defend themselves against the world.
    Yes

    •May develop strong negative judgments that are difficut to unseat against people who they perceive have been oppressive to them.
    Yes

    •May get involved with drugs, alcohol, or promiscuity, and generally seek mindless experiences and sensations.
    Yes - isn't this being sx-dom?

    •May skip from relationship to relationship without the ability to commit.
    Yes - tendency

    •May start projects but be unable to finish them.
    Yes - it's so boring to develop

    •May be unable to keep a job for any length of time.
    Yes, boring when you've already learned and everything is the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    It's from personalitypage.com


    The Goods

    •They're exceptionally perceptive about people and situations. They're often able to quickly and accurately assess where someone is coming from.

    •They accept and value people as individuals, and are strongly egalitarian. They believe that individuals have the right to be themselves, and are very tolerant and accepting of most people.

    I don't discriminate against entire groups of people, but I can be judgmental about individuals unfortunately.

    •They're often deep and intelligent, and may be quite brilliant in their ability to tie things together. They're wired to look for connections in the external world, and so may mentally put things together more easily than many.

    •Their interest in understanding the world usually makes them in tune with what's socially acceptable and what isn't. This may help them to be popular and likable.

    •They're highly creative. This ability may be used in an artistic way, or way to be used to generate ideas and new ways of thinking.

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    The Bads

    •May be what many would call a "sucker" - vulnerable to schemers and con artists.

    •May get themselves into dangerous situations because they are too eager to push the envelope of their understanding, and not willing to apply judgment to anything.

    •May feel intense anger towards people who criticise them or try to control them, but will be unable to express the anger. Left unexpressed, the anger may fester, simmer, and become destructive.

    •May blame their problems on other people, using logic and ration to defend themselves against the world.

    sometimes

    •May develop strong negative judgments that are difficut to unseat against people who they perceive have been oppressive to them.

    •May get involved with drugs, alcohol, or promiscuity, and generally seek mindless experiences and sensations.

    •May skip from relationship to relationship without the ability to commit.

    •May start projects but be unable to finish them.

    •May be unable to keep a job for any length of time.


    Do you identify with these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    definitely feel like my greatest strength is my people skills. the ability to relate to so many different types of people on their level. people feel at ease with me because they feel seen and accepted. generally...if i'm talking to you it means i like you. i think people can sense that.

    i am creative in everything i do...i can't just do things without trying to do them in a way that feeds that part of myself...if it can't be made interesting i probably just don't want to do it. even mundane things like say organizing your files...i must go buy a super cute file box and create a cute lil area to put it in....or maybe i have to clean but it's only fun if i decide to rearrange things in the process...or have music and candles going with a bit of wine...then it's like a whole zen thing...haha

    so yeah...just in every way...i will make the presentation pretty at dinner or hand make some cool way to wrap a present..
    i think creation is part of my every day yep even if i'm just creating a mood or experience instead of art.

    the other stuff too...yeah i think it fits

    the bad stuff...

    yeah i'm a sucker...i mean i can spot a bullshitter...sometimes but...i too often think too well of people....or am too compassionate for my own good. i am currently living in my own self made hell in that regard...thanks to my wretched ex husband who really needs to just fuck off already.

    yes mad anger for people who try to control me or screw me over continuously..haha bad day for me to answer these sorts of questions. :|

    but no...not me personally with the drinking and drug issues or ever any promiscuity...thankfully my parents taught me self respect.

    no issues with commitment...and no issues with staying with a job.

    did i answer everything?? idk it's enough probably...why you interested in the nfs lately? you studying us?
    Ha ha, just trying to get to know ENFP's better I guess. And also trying to see if everyone that says I'm an ENFP is right.

    I know 2 ENFP's irl and all of the descriptions here for the most part fit them. I, on the other hand, don't identify with these things really.

    I really like how you broke down how you're creative. Very interesting.

    I was also wondering about the part about holding down a job and/or relationship...

    I find that's not true. and like Honor said, just a stereotype
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    Ha ha, just trying to get to know ENFP's better I guess. And also trying to see if everyone that says I'm an ENFP is right.

    I know 2 ENFP's irl and all of the descriptions here for the most part fit them. I, on the other hand, don't identify with these things really.

    I really like how you broke down how you're creative. Very interesting.

    I was also wondering about the part about holding down a job and/or relationship...

    I find that's not true. and like Honor said, just a stereotype
    it seems like it's true for some enfps...enough to mention it in a general description i suppose. not an issue for me personally...i keep the jobs and the relationships i like for a long time usually.

    edit: also...interesting that you're considering enfp for you. do you think it's possible that you're just a te heavy enfp? are you unsure of rather or not you use ne or ni? i can see how that's confusing...i mean i feel like i use both pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    it seems like it's true for some enfps...enough to mention it in a general description i suppose. not an issue for me personally...i keep the jobs and the relationships i like for a long time usually.

    edit: also.i..interesting that you're considering enfp for you. do you think it's possible that you're just a te heavy enfp? are you unsure of rather or not you use ne or ni? i can see how that's confusing...i mean i feel like i use both pretty well.
    Well I know I'm an ENTJ in mbti......but recently I read the difference between an ENFp and ENTj in socionics and I can't decide.....I am much less apt to be able to see where ppl r coming from than an enfp tho. I feel like I idealize enfps actually lol...maybe that explains the many questions I have for them...cause I wanna be like them.

    In any case the socionics description of an ENTj....is so ......cold...I don't think I'm that calculating. And they both seem to have uber problems with Si...ugh...although I'm not as sentimental and stuff like an ENFp is. So i m lost
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    I am only responding because ENFP is what people tell me I am... but who knows? I'll give it shot:

    The Goods

    •They're exceptionally perceptive about people and situations. They're often able to quickly and accurately assess where someone is coming from.
    My response: I doubt that I do that. I've always seen myself as a bit self-referencing and sort of closed off (even though I am friendly and open and a bit of a laughtard). Another thing to consider it that I don't know what you mean by this; it doesn't sound how Ne would work.

    •They accept and value people as individuals, and are strongly egalitarian. They believe that individuals have the right to be themselves, and are very tolerant and accepting of most people.
    My response: I guess. I do believe that people can do what they want as long as it doesn't get in my way. I used to go to a high school where everyone was themselves (no social "rules" to follow since the school is too big for that). I hated it when I had to leave and go to a school where everyone had a similar vibe =(

    Ah, so although I am open and accepting, it's not because I am trying to let people express themselves or be perceptive about things... I just simply don't care about anything outside of my self-referential framework... so as long as you're not literally stabbing me with a knife I could care less about trying to make you feel bad for being different from my standards.

    •They're often deep and intelligent, and may be quite brilliant in their ability to tie things together. They're wired to look for connections in the external world, and so may mentally put things together more easily than many.
    My response: I do not consider myself deep or intelligent. I can make connections, I do connect concepts together to help me understand my thoughts and feelings, but I don't force myself to do it or anything... the ideas just pop into my head ...and then I forget about it after a while.

    •Their interest in understanding the world usually makes them in tune with what's socially acceptable and what isn't. This may help them to be popular and likable.
    My response: No? I am not oriented in such a way. If I am liked it's because I express myself honestly.

    •They're highly creative. This ability may be used in an artistic way, or way to be used to generate ideas and new ways of thinking.
    My response: I don't think creative it the word for me. I do like to understand/express/think things other people wouldn't though.
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    The Bads

    •May be what many would call a "sucker" - vulnerable to schemers and con artists.
    My response: Maybe? If I was in seventh grade then I can see that lol.

    •May get themselves into dangerous situations because they are too eager to push the envelope of their understanding, and not willing to apply judgment to anything.
    My response: ....No? ...Yeah, actually no xD

    •May feel intense anger towards people who criticise them or try to control them, but will be unable to express the anger. Left unexpressed, the anger may fester, simmer, and become destructive.
    My response: I mean, anyone would get angry at someone whose trying to control them. Although I am an angry person and I do express it... but it still simmers and festers. I don't think anyone has ever criticized or tried to control me in my life... so I wouldn't know about that part. But for sure, I am an angry person.

    •May blame their problems on other people, using logic and ration to defend themselves against the world.
    My response: No.

    •May develop strong negative judgments that are difficut to unseat against people who they perceive have been oppressive to them.
    My response: Yes.

    •May get involved with drugs, alcohol, or promiscuity, and generally seek mindless experiences and sensations.
    My response: No.

    •May skip from relationship to relationship without the ability to commit.
    My response: So far, I don't care about people enough to get into any kind of relationship with them

    •May start projects but be unable to finish them.
    My response: ...Sort of? Yeah, I can see that happening

    •May be unable to keep a job for any length of time.
    My response: ...Sort of. I wouldn't apply this to a job... but random clubs that I joined in high school and college... I am bad at being a part of things.


    Well, that was not enjoyable ^_^
    Anyway, I don't like the approach of applying a set of traits to me ...but that's just me being nitpicky on how I describe myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    It's from personalitypage.com


    The Goods

    •They're exceptionally perceptive about people and situations. They're often able to quickly and accurately assess where someone is coming from.

    •They accept and value people as individuals, and are strongly egalitarian. They believe that individuals have the right to be themselves, and are very tolerant and accepting of most people.

    •They're often deep and intelligent, and may be quite brilliant in their ability to tie things together. They're wired to look for connections in the external world, and so may mentally put things together more easily than many.

    •Their interest in understanding the world usually makes them in tune with what's socially acceptable and what isn't. This may help them to be popular and likable.

    •They're highly creative. This ability may be used in an artistic way, or way to be used to generate ideas and new ways of thinking.

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    The Bads

    •May be what many would call a "sucker" - vulnerable to schemers and con artists.

    •May get themselves into dangerous situations because they are too eager to push the envelope of their understanding, and not willing to apply judgment to anything.

    •May feel intense anger towards people who criticise them or try to control them, but will be unable to express the anger. Left unexpressed, the anger may fester, simmer, and become destructive.

    •May blame their problems on other people, using logic and ration to defend themselves against the world.

    •May develop strong negative judgments that are difficut to unseat against people who they perceive have been oppressive to them.

    •May get involved with drugs, alcohol, or promiscuity, and generally seek mindless experiences and sensations.

    •May skip from relationship to relationship without the ability to commit.

    •May start projects but be unable to finish them.

    •May be unable to keep a job for any length of time.


    Do you identify with these?
    I identify with all but keeping a job. Kept steady jobs for 2+ decades no less than 3 years at one and 16 years at the most.

    The negative ENFP stuff I relate to more in my younger days. Thankfully- healthy maturity outgrows that stuff mostly. I experience some of that still- but at WAY lesser degrees / it's all less bothersome as you get older. There are benefits to aging! A consolation prize!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urarienev View Post
    It's from personalitypage.com


    The Goods

    •They're exceptionally perceptive about people and situations. They're often able to quickly and accurately assess where someone is coming from.

    •They accept and value people as individuals, and are strongly egalitarian. They believe that individuals have the right to be themselves, and are very tolerant and accepting of most people.

    •They're often deep and intelligent, and may be quite brilliant in their ability to tie things together. They're wired to look for connections in the external world, and so may mentally put things together more easily than many.

    •Their interest in understanding the world usually makes them in tune with what's socially acceptable and what isn't. This may help them to be popular and likable.

    •They're highly creative. This ability may be used in an artistic way, or way to be used to generate ideas and new ways of thinking.

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    The Bads

    •May be what many would call a "sucker" - vulnerable to schemers and con artists.

    •May get themselves into dangerous situations because they are too eager to push the envelope of their understanding, and not willing to apply judgment to anything.

    •May feel intense anger towards people who criticise them or try to control them, but will be unable to express the anger. Left unexpressed, the anger may fester, simmer, and become destructive.

    •May blame their problems on other people, using logic and ration to defend themselves against the world.

    •May develop strong negative judgments that are difficut to unseat against people who they perceive have been oppressive to them.

    •May get involved with drugs, alcohol, or promiscuity, and generally seek mindless experiences and sensations.

    •May skip from relationship to relationship without the ability to commit.

    •May start projects but be unable to finish them.

    •May be unable to keep a job for any length of time.


    Do you identify with these?
    The "Bads" are a complete miss except for the ones I highlighted. They actually sound much more like ESFP then ENFP.
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    The Goods

    •They're exceptionally perceptive about people and situations. They're often able to quickly and accurately assess where someone is coming from. -- Id like to think I am. No one's perfect, but I seem more in tune with this than some of my fellow friends.

    •They accept and value people as individuals, and are strongly egalitarian. They believe that individuals have the right to be themselves, and are very tolerant and accepting of most people.-- Yes.

    •They're often deep and intelligent, and may be quite brilliant in their ability to tie things together. They're wired to look for connections in the external world, and so may mentally put things together more easily than many.-- I find yes, but not quickly at all. I am not quick to connect the dots--but I do connect them, sometimes to a fault.

    •Their interest in understanding the world usually makes them in tune with what's socially acceptable and what isn't. This may help them to be popular and likable.-- Sometimes. I would never call myself a popular person--I wasn't at work, in the army, or otherwise. I'd say it gives a superficial popularity--everyone talked to me.. but frequently behind my back it was a different story. Ive found that to be the case most of my life.

    •They're highly creative. This ability may be used in an artistic way, or way to be used to generate ideas and new ways of thinking.-- I don't know if I can say this entirely is me.. but I've been told by others I am artistic, so maybe that's something.

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    The Bads

    •May be what many would call a "sucker" - vulnerable to schemers and con artists.-- Definitely. Though straight up cons are not my specialty, I fall prey to liars and cheats in my personal life all the time. Optimism has this odd way of making you treat everyone the same, even if the statistics have shown that 90% of those guys are going to do the exact same thing.

    •May get themselves into dangerous situations because they are too eager to push the envelope of their understanding, and not willing to apply judgment to anything.-- Yes. Yes. Yes.

    •May feel intense anger towards people who criticise them or try to control them, but will be unable to express the anger. Left unexpressed, the anger may fester, simmer, and become destructive.-- Definitely.

    •May blame their problems on other people, using logic and ration to defend themselves against the world.-- I probably say other people's problems out loud a lot--but I feel my own problems are always caused by myself, to a fault. To the point of letting people off the hook that probably genuinely wronged me in life-long ways, because I felt it was my responsibility to identify that they were no good and shouldn't have been in my life. So no. Not this one at all.

    •May develop strong negative judgments that are difficult to unseat against people who they perceive have been oppressive to them.-- Possibly. I don't know the extent of this.. I'm erring on No right now. For example, I feel the oppression from males vs females in my every day life... and yet, most of my friends and co-workers are male, and I've always tended to click with males more readily than the opposite gender. I don't begrudge anyone for world-wide idealism problems. I also don't begrudge my ex for being a total douche to me back in the day. He simply doesn't matter anymore.

    •May get involved with drugs, alcohol, or promiscuity, and generally seek mindless experiences and sensations.-- not at all.

    •May skip from relationship to relationship without the ability to commit.-- Not at all.

    •May start projects but be unable to finish them.-- I can be like this. It takes active discipline to overcome this natural tendency.

    •May be unable to keep a job for any length of time.-- Not at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    definitely feel like my greatest strength is my people skills. the ability to relate to so many different types of people on their level. people feel at ease with me because they feel seen and accepted. generally...if i'm talking to you it means i like you. i think people can sense that.

    i am creative in everything i do...i can't just do things without trying to do them in a way that feeds that part of myself...if it can't be made interesting i probably just don't want to do it. even mundane things like say organizing your files...i must go buy a super cute file box and create a cute lil area to put it in....or maybe i have to clean but it's only fun if i decide to rearrange things in the process...or have music and candles going with a bit of wine...then it's like a whole zen thing...haha

    so yeah...just in every way...i will make the presentation pretty at dinner or hand make some cool way to wrap a present..
    i think creation is part of my every day yep even if i'm just creating a mood or experience instead of art.

    the other stuff too...yeah i think it fits

    the bad stuff...

    yeah i'm a sucker...i mean i can spot a bullshitter...sometimes but...i too often think too well of people....or am too compassionate for my own good. i am currently living in my own self made hell in that regard...thanks to my wretched ex husband who really needs to just fuck off already.

    yes mad anger for people who try to control me or screw me over continuously..haha bad day for me to answer these sorts of questions. :|

    but no...not me personally with the drinking and drug issues or ever any promiscuity...thankfully my parents taught me self respect.

    no issues with commitment...and no issues with staying with a job.

    did i answer everything?? idk it's enough probably...why you interested in the nfs lately? you studying us?
    I try to create every day, as well...
    I think my own criticism combined with my mother and step-father's criticism makes it a bittersweet experience, though...
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