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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I read somewhere that IXFP’s are surprisingly capable of tremendous acts of evil - more so than any other type. However they tend to be incapable of bringing these realities to fruition. It's an Fi dom thing that is at the root of this.

    Any truth to this? Thoughts/opinions?
    Sigh…

    So IXFP’s are capable of evil but incapable at the same time?
    Come on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    Sigh…

    So IXFP’s are capable of evil but incapable at the same time?
    Come on...
    He explained this half way down the previous page. "Tend to" are the key words.

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    The OP claims that group X are capable of evil, Then says that that same group tends not to be able to engage in evil for some related reason.
    I presume that he means that some members of group X are capable of evil, but most are not.
    He claims it’s feature Y (Fi), but that is illogical since all members of group X have that feature by definition. Therefore there must be another reason for the capability, or the statement is itself false…

    Some people smoke cigarettes.
    Most of them don’t get lung cancer.
    So why do some people get lung cancer?
    The answer can’t be ‘because they smoke’, because most people who smoke don’t get lung cancer. Therefore there is some other factor at play other than smoking.
    Do you see it now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    The OP claims that group X are capable of evil, Then says that that same group tends not to be able to engage in evil for some related reason.
    I presume that he means that some members of group X are capable of evil, but most are not.
    He claims it’s feature Y (Fi), but that is illogical since all members of group X have that feature by definition. Therefore there must be another reason for the capability, or the statement is itself false…

    Some people smoke cigarettes.
    Most of them don’t get lung cancer.
    So why do some people get lung cancer?
    The answer can’t be ‘because they smoke’, because most people who smoke don’t get lung cancer. Therefore there is some other factor at play other than smoking.
    Do you see it now?
    I thought what he was saying "group x are capable but a sub-section of group x have not managed to find a way to express this capability." It's like saying "I'm a great artist but I don't have a canvas on hand to paint."

    I think we have interpreted "Fi is the root of this" differently too. I interpreted it as "Fi is the root of the aforementioned evil desire" and I suspect that you interpreted it as "Fi causes the incapability." @highlander would hopefully be able to set the record straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    I thought what he was saying "group x are capable but a sub-section of group x have not managed to find a way to express this capability." It's like saying "I'm a great artist but I don't have a canvas on hand to paint."
    And then he said that 'Fi' is the reason for the ability to express evil, but it can't be the thing that conjoins all members of a group, since most member of the group don't engage in the bahavior.

    All cats can bite, but most do not.
    Therefore being a cat can't be the source of the biting behavior. There must be some thing alse at play to make some bite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    And then he said that 'Fi' is the reason for the ability to express evil, but it can't be the thing that conjoins all members of a group, since most member of the group don't engage in the bahavior.

    All cats can bite, but most do not.
    Therefore being a cat can't be the source of the biting behavior. There must be some thing alse at play to make some bite.
    I've completely lost your line of reasoning but I assume it's related to the post I made just above this post. You seem to have interpreted his statement as "Fi=ability to express evil" when I seriously think he meant "Fi=capacity to be evil". I've read his post several times and I haven't been able to determine that your interpretation was his intention.

    I would conclude (using type model) that Fi=" capacity to be evil" and Te= "capacity to express that evil". There would be a larger amount of flexibility regarding the variance of the inferior function's strength and utilisation from member to member inside a type which wouldn't exist for a dominant (in other words members of a type would be good at using their type's dominant function regardless.) Basically some would be good enough with their Te to actualise their evil schemes whilst those without a good Te would not have the opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    I've completely lost your line of reasoning but I assume it's related to the post I made just above this post. You seem to have interpreted his statement as "Fi=ability to express evil" when I seriously think he meant "Fi=capacity to be evil". I've read his post several times and I haven't been able to determine that your interpretation was his intention.

    I would conclude (using type model) that Fi=" capacity to be evil" and Te= "capacity to express that evil". There would be a larger amount of flexibility regarding the variance of the inferior function's strength and utilisation from member to member inside a type which wouldn't exist for a dominant (in other words members of a type would be good at using their type's dominant function regardless.) Basically some would be good enough with their Te to actualise their evil schemes whilst those without a good Te would not have the opportunity.
    It's really not that complicated. I give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    I thought what he was saying "group x are capable but a sub-section of group x have not managed to find a way to express this capability." It's like saying "I'm a great artist but I don't have a canvas on hand to paint."

    I think we have interpreted "Fi is the root of this" differently too. I interpreted it as "Fi is the root of the aforementioned evil desire" and I suspect that you interpreted it as "Fi causes the incapability." @highlander would hopefully be able to set the record straight.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stanton Moore View Post
    And then he said that 'Fi' is the reason for the ability to express evil, but it can't be the thing that conjoins all members of a group, since most member of the group don't engage in the bahavior.

    All cats can bite, but most do not.
    Therefore being a cat can't be the source of the biting behavior. There must be some thing alse at play to make some bite.
    Actually, I didn't make this up. I simply repeated what I heard somewhere else. It was also indicated that INFPs would understand what this meant. I was looking for an explanation as much as you are.

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    does it mean that they're capable of thinking up super evil schemes...like that others wouldn't think of? like how deeply twisted and just WRONG?? but then they realize this and don't do it?
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