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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    Which type, INFJ or INFP, is more likely to enter a fight to the death because you insulted one of their tribe?
    It is pretty much the reason I fight to the death. Just an attack on me doesn't usually motivate a death match from me, because I often feel stronger than the person attacking me personally, but when it involves more people, or if it is someone who has made themselves vulnerable or who is vulnerable, then I can go on the attack. If I see someone hurting an animal, I can feel a crazy rage that wants to put a stop to it regardless of what it takes. When I see someone be a bully - especially if it is a glib, "na, na, na, na, na attitude, I want to grab a sledgehammer and take them out at the knees. Who says INFJs don't have a sense of humor? How is that not hilarious?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    Oh, I realize that in this context, you meant it as an off the cuff remark, but in several other threads you've said something to the same effect. I think the last time, you put the nail video up and said people were just complaining about each others' nails, so I assume on some level it bothers you to let them have it out (maybe seems inefficient if you feel you have a shortcut to the conclusions they'll eventually make?? Just stabbing in the dark). I'm not sure why and I've ruled out most of the reasons I can think of as being implausible. I needed more context to make sense of it, because I assume I am misinterpreting it somehow and I'd rather not. Or maybe a comment is just a comment and I'm only projecting, because if an INFJ said it, it would be a less frontal way of telling people that they are causing problems and need to quit because it's starting to infringe on other people.
    Yeah- especially with one liners, I think our interpretation of things is largely informed by past experience of a person, more than others begin to understand. The bad thing about being INFJ is that when something reaches the boiling point, we can't look away for a couple minutes and expect the pot to have returned to room temperature on its own. But it seems like that's what most people expect- like it's unreasonable to hold what they were acting like 10 minutes ago ‘against’ them. [And I mean "10 minutes ago" rhetorically, it can translate into up to "10 years ago" literally.....if the initial impression was big enough, that mental sticky note will last a *long* time.]

    If someone repeatedly displays annoyance at what I'm trying to work through aloud (and 'repeatedly' is usually what brings something to a 'boiling point')- it basically makes me feel like they're suggesting I'm imposing something unreasonable on others by trying to work through it aloud**....and my initial reaction is to make a mental sticky note about how that person is sensitive to hearing such things (and to avoid such things being done aloud around that person henceforth). On the plus side, it helps me annoy that person less; if I see they are in the room then I know to avoid bringing certain things up (though that is less practical in forum interaction, because it's hard to see who is 'in the room' per se). On the down side, that person's one line jokes about intervening will almost certainly be informed by this previous expression (unless new information comes along which renders the previous mental sticky note about it moot).

    So yeah- I had the same reaction. But then uumlau’s response to the above quote was a good example of new information which comes along to render the mental sticky note moot (it worked towards effectively undoing the ‘shaming’ element of his posts from previous experiences).

    **eta: Perhaps an interesting aside to note here is that we (at least, 'I') don't take it personally- where NFPs seem to 'hear' some kind of 'there's something wrong with you' subtext- I simply hear 'this bothers me, please don't do it around me'. I make a mental sticky note about not doing <whatever behavior> around that person, but I don't hear any sort of judgment about me in this sort of 'shaming'. To me, it's more like I see that person as saying "I can't handle this, please don't do it around me."


    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    It's just that sometimes shit ain't funny.
    This is a good a place as any to mention that I’ve started reading all Tilty’s posts as if they’re being delivered by Sawyer (from LOST). Apparently, as far as my unconscious is concerned, there isn’t a female actress smart-ass enough to fill the role.

    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    It is pretty much the reason I fight to the death. Just an attack on me doesn't usually motivate a death match from me, because I often feel stronger than the person attacking me personally, but when it involves more people, or if it is someone who has made themselves vulnerable or who is vulnerable, then I can go on the attack. If I see someone hurting an animal, I can feel a crazy rage that wants to put a stop to it regardless of what it takes. When I see someone be a bully - especially if it is a glib, "na, na, na, na, na attitude, I want to grab a sledgehammer and take them out at the knees. Who says INFJs don't have a sense of humor? How is that not hilarious?
    +1,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    It's all fun and games until the INFJ joins in on the fun- and then people start recoiling in horror at the bloodshed, saying we're the ones without a sense of humor.
    And we're to believe that Hitler was NOT an INFJ?!

    The Weimar Republic was all fun and games, until an INFJ joined in on the fun ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    Which type, INFJ or INFP, is more likely to enter a fight to the death because you insulted one of their tribe?
    Fi.

    Ever met an ENFP?

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    I am acquainted with one, but I don't know her well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    I am acquainted with one, but I don't know her well.
    Well if you ever get the chance to talk trash about her friends in order to see her reaction, you'll have your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    Well if you ever get the chance to talk trash about her friends in order to see her reaction, you'll have your answer.
    You know, you could be right. I had a friend who studied with a rather intimidating teacher. I was planning to do some study with this same teacher and so asked her advice about the best way to interact, but she took it defensively and said how this teacher was a wonderful human being, etc. It made for an awkward moment because I wasn't trying to attack this teacher's character, but just wanted to interact successfully, and she was really intimidating. It always made me feel really badly and judged. It was also a bit of a shock because this ENFP was so fun-spirited, imaginative, and had an easy going vibe.
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    @fia Yeah, its the whole need to be honest and authentic coupled with really respecting that person who she does not want to see taken advantage of by a thing like social gaming strategy. We re retards in that area often coz we re naive enough to believe social strategies should not be a concern between genuine people, and make the assumption everyone sees the world the way we do (most types have this problem before either life or mbti teaches them differently).

    Iow, she thought you might be trying to take advantage of the teacher with her help and chose to err on the side of caution by letting you know in no uncertain terms that it wasnt going to fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    Which type, INFJ or INFP, is more likely to enter a fight to the death because you insulted one of their tribe?
    do i know this person? do i like them? can i see objective reasoning behind the insult?

    probably not, not everyone deserves your defence just because they are 'the same as you'.

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