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    Default INFJs - do INTJs seem too "thinky" to you to be "really intuitive"?

    I'm wondering whether INFJs have a concept of what is "intuitive" (as a generic word, not a Jungian one) that tends to be inclusive of Ni-Fe but not Ni-Te. This is occasioned by a person whom I believe to be an INFJ (she had characteristic Ni pauses as she tried to synthesize ideas before she spoke) who observed that if I really were that intuitive, I wouldn't be as clueless about human relationships as I am. I didn't want to argue typology with her, so I let it go, but my response would have been along the lines of "I'm intuitive about things, not people."

    So, in general, does INTJ intuition not really feel like intuition to you, as an INFJ, based on the INTJs you have known?
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    To me it just seems like intuition with an entirely different focus. I sometimes feel like they can't always see through certain people, but I've concluded that perhaps we are just attracted to different things. I have a different set of reoccurring blindspots about people.

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    The first thing I did after reading the op was look up definitions for 'intuition'- to see if there's some larger association of applying it to people that I didn't know about. [I'm constantly checking to see if words mean what I think they mean, because someone will use it in a way that doesn't seem quite right and I'll feel the need to find out if they're the one using it wrong or if it's me.] And there isn't any association to people implied in the definition. So .

    I was married to an eNTJ, he's about as clueless as it gets when it comes to dealing with people but I can definitely see the intuition. eta: For me, I think it shows up most in sense of humor and generally being more patient with others' ideas? And I could be wrong, but I think that playing on words (puns) has a certain tickling affect on intuitives, regardless of Te/Fe. It's not that everyone doesn't understand the humor, but it's just funnier (or something) to Ns?

    More eta: it also seems to me that Ni'ers have a difficult time being literal? Even with with Te, it seems like ideas are expressed via metaphor.
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    If Carl Sagan is an INTJ, then I would have to say that I can feel the Ni. I tend to feel quite a bit of compatibility with INTJs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    To me it just seems like intuition with an entirely different focus. I sometimes feel like they can't always see through certain people, but I've concluded that perhaps we are just attracted to different things. I have a different set of reoccurring blindspots about people.
    The focus of our perceptions and motivations, whether the higher awareness and will to action are used for understanding systems versus feeling personal constitutions I would think (and I'm no INFJ by the way) are different categories of analysis. Systems thinking (for INTJs) I believe is very much an evolution of ideas which transform across various contexts, whereas personal feelings (for INFJs) might be more of a psychic sense to gaze inside of subjectives and their possible symbolic meanings for the soul.

    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    If Carl Sagan is an INTJ, then I would have to say that I can feel the Ni. I tend to feel quite a bit of compatibility with INTJs.
    Carl Sagan is actually listed under the Famous ENTJs on the Celebrity Types website.

    I think this is a likely type for him. He's actually a very personable person, and also is obsessed with finding evidence or working applications for pretty much everything, which even seems to come before the visions themselves, and this seems to me more like an ENTJ thing than an INTJ one but (as Sagan himself likes to say), I could be wrong.

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    I would argue that personal assessments are made very much as you describe Intj systems, just applied with a different focus. Not very psychic or subjective, so much as predicting based on observed patterns and current context, combined with underlying beliefs developed bit by bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    I'm wondering whether INFJs have a concept of what is "intuitive" (as a generic word, not a Jungian one) that tends to be inclusive of Ni-Fe but not Ni-Te. This is occasioned by a person whom I believe to be an INFJ (she had characteristic Ni pauses as she tried to synthesize ideas before she spoke) who observed that if I really were that intuitive, I wouldn't be as clueless about human relationships as I am. I didn't want to argue typology with her, so I let it go, but my response would have been along the lines of "I'm intuitive about things, not people."

    So, in general, does INTJ intuition not really feel like intuition to you, as an INFJ, based on the INTJs you have known?
    Wait...were you having an argument and she said "you're clueless about people"?

    Cause, ahem, that might mean she's bringing up the topic as a conduit to say how she's pissed about something. Personal like.










    just a possibility, i don't know what you mean by "i didn't want to argue typology with her", but it sounds kinda tense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    So, in general, does INTJ intuition not really feel like intuition to you, as an INFJ, based on the INTJs you have known?
    I feel that the INTJ way of thinking is very intuitive, especially judging by the sources of information they draw from. Sometimes it's uncomfortably familiar, but a bit bewildering, because the Te approach can come from a totally unexpected direction. I feel that Ni talks in 'essence', but what is essence to an INTJ maybe something totally irrelevant in my version of 'essence', so it can feel like talking to a version of myself who goes round and round in circles without getting to the truly important bits. I'm sure INTJs feel the same way when they talk to me and consider what I have to say rather frivolous.

    Edited to add: Yes, INTJs can be a little clueless about people, especially when they try to interpret people with Te and not Fi.
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    So, in general, does INTJ intuition not really feel like intuition to you, as an INFJ, based on the INTJs you have known?
    INTJ intuition feels very much like intuition to me. Ni is Ni, no matter whether it's challenged through Fe or Te.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    Edited to add: Yes, INTJs can be a little clueless about people, especially when they try to interpret people with Te and not Fi.
    Can you give an example of this?
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