[MBTI General] NFs, what bothers you the most about INTPs?

[briochick]

I can think of a couple people who are probably intps who I know in real life but if they're mature they're about some of the best (and hottest) people I can meet.

That being said, I knew a guy who was (very likely) and intp and he was an incredible asshole. His callousness about other people and their suffering, and his wholesale support of the slaughter or suffering of other people if it would support him was disgusting. Also, he was so convicted of his own logic that he was unable to comprehend that someone might be smarter than him, think of something more correctly than him, or basic human psychology and the reality that it did not just apply to "others," that in fact many of his reasoning was based on his own inferiority complex and his insecure need to constantly reassert himself and that he was thus rejecting people with his hyper-aggressive feelingshiddentohimandsharedasfact. He thought whoever won the argument; that is, whoever was talking last, was somehow proven right. He also had a very Draco Malfoy-esk sneer, made me want to slap him in the face. And, whenever I got mad (say, at being repeatedly called The Socialist, because I did not support Ron Paul) that was automatically proof that he was right, and he would just singsong "I'm right I'm right" over and over until I shut up or physically attacked him.

I have nothing wrong with mature INTPs. They argue well, teach you how to play chess, and you incidentally find yourself wondering how open they are to being snogged.

 

[OrangeAppled]

I went with arrogance, but "other" would include SENSITIVITY. They have an irritability and dismissiveness that strikes one as EMOTIONAL (inferior Fe!). Another is poor ability to empathize, instead dismissing people as stupid because they don't do as the INTP does. Also the claim of objectivity when steeped in bias is annoying.

 

[Esoteric Wench]

I have a couple of good INTP friends who are female. They are really great people. But if I were to pick on one thing that bugged me about them it would be their dominant Ti. They are always tweaking their understanding of things in what seems to me to border on the ad nauseum. My Te wants to backhand them and tell them to step back and look at the "big picture" which isn't so complicated.

 

[Honor]

Don't think I've known a lot of INTPs. I knew one who was an asshole, and I know one who is a sweetheart, but they tend to obsessed with logic in a way I find annoying.

 

[INTP]

I have a couple of good INTP friends who are female. They are really great people. But if I were to pick on one thing that bugged me about them it would be their dominant Ti. They are always tweaking their understanding of things in what seems to me to border on the ad nauseum. My Te wants to backhand them and tell them to step back and look at the "big picture" which isn't so complicated.

You cant really see the big picture as it truly is, unless you also look at all the complexities of it . I mean you can make some approximation of it, but that isnt the whole truth. Also wheres the fun if you leave out the joy of figuring out it completely , or at least some highly complicated aspects of it ?

 

[Lexicon]

One of my best friends is an INTP.

(I voted "Other")
The only thing about them that even remotely gets to be a bit much to handle at times, is their inherent need to rape everything with Ti to the very core and beyond. At times they trigger their own upsetting existential crises, and I have to walk them out of it, by way of reverse Ti - getting their heads out of their ass. The search for absolute truth is commendable, but you don't do yourself any favors when you get tangled/misplaced in the details.

The Ti-rape can delay or mess up even the most basic things.

Like, dammit, you're going to set my kitchen on fire because you're so busy examining the molecular makeup of chocolate.
YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT TO BAKE SOME FUCKING COOKIES.


Don't get me wrong, I can act like a wannabe IxTP with the best of 'em, dissecting aspects of life- but at heart I like to get shit done, I guess. I'm only pretend aspie. But all that said, I <3 you guys. The over-analysis can be endearing as well as grating.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Like, dammit, you're going to set my kitchen on fire because you're so busy examining the molecular makeup of chocolate.
YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT TO BAKE SOME FUCKING COOKIES.

Why should you care if your kitchen is set on fire? You should be happy to make a sacrifice for knowledge. Also, wouldn't you want to be sure that it's really chocolate and not poop?

 

[Lexicon]

Why should you care if your kitchen is set on fire? You should be happy to make a sacrifice for knowledge. Also, wouldn't you want to be sure that it's really chocolate and not poop?

The package lists the ingredients!!
THE PACKAGE EVEN TELLS YOU HOW TO MAKE THEM INTO COOKIES.

You don't have to think.. just put it together and make them into a wonderful treat.

You people can experiment on the next batch.
But cookies now.

 

[Totenkindly]

The only thing about them that even remotely gets to be a bit much to handle at times, is their inherent need to rape everything with Ti to the very core and beyond.

Sniff. We can't help it. It's like Ti is one huge dingdong in our hand and everything out there is an enticing hoohaa.

At times they trigger their own upsetting existential crises, and I have to walk them out of it, by way of reverse Ti - getting their heads out of their ass. The search for absolute truth is commendable, but you don't do yourself any favors when you get tangled/misplaced in the details.

Lol. I agree with this. Just know that even when we know it, the crisis doesn't just vanish. It still feels very real.

Like, dammit, you're going to set my kitchen on fire because you're so busy examining the molecular makeup of chocolate.
YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW THAT TO BAKE SOME FUCKING COOKIES.

Dr. Manhatten from Watchmen is one amusing/frustrating exploration of the mindset...

 

[INTP]

The package lists the ingredients!!
THE PACKAGE EVEN TELLS YOU HOW TO MAKE THEM INTO COOKIES.

You don't have to think.. just put it together and make them into a wonderful treat.

You people can experiment on the next batch.
But cookies now.

but it doesent tell you how to make the BEST cookies by tweaking the recipe a bit. to know how much it can be tweaked and to what direction, you need to know the molecular make up

 

[Cellmold]

I'm not sure I've met any offline. Online they appear to be either well-rounded or complete arseholes. I suspect this stems from being in a world of people unlike them who don't seem to care about the knowledge or search for accurate truths that they do.

But you can ignore ITP's for the most part, they usually just fade into the background. It's the TJ's that wind me up, assertive is not "I'm gonna be a fucking cunt here and just barge through everything regardless".

On the other hand....I have more fun pissing about so I win because it winds them up.

Also I acknowledge that there is no factual or logical discourse in this post and I also know that there could be a potential cavalcade of people replying to tell me how I misunderstand their position as TJ's and that I would remind them that this just digging a bigger hole.

Why do some people go out of their way to make sure everyone else knows they are correct? It's not very efficient after all and comes across as emotional insecurity, not factual accuracy. If the facts do indeed speak for themselves, show them to me and keep your mouth shut.

 

[cafe]

I just have a hard time imagining someone easier to live with than my INTP. He's really more like a grumpy teddy bear with an overpowered brain than anything else.

 

[Nicki]

They can be seriously abrasive.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

I went with arrogance, but "other" would include SENSITIVITY. They have an irritability and dismissiveness that strikes one as EMOTIONAL (inferior Fe!). Another is poor ability to empathize, instead dismissing people as stupid because they don't do as the INTP does. Also the claim of objectivity when steeped in bias is annoying.

I've noticed this online also. I'm come to think that it makes no sense to claim objectivity, and when one does, it is a sign of lacking it. It should be self-evident if it is actually the case. Having a personal identity of being objective is a bit ironic since it is external and merely what is, not what we perceive and identify with being.

Edit: I'll add that people who identify as objective and non-emotional can often project their emotional states onto others either by pushing buttons, or just seeing the other person as having their own motivations and emotions. All of this can apply to other types, but relates to people who see themselves as logical and objective.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I created this thread, because I wanted to see if my perceptions of NF discomfort with NTs was correct. The lion's share of the discomfort appears to be apathy/detachment and arrogance, which is along the lines of what I was expecting.

Interesting.

I was hoping to figure out from this a better sense of what feeling actually is. Might feeling be understood as an intense engagement with the world, and perhaps other human beings? This would explain why the detachment is off-putting, The arrogance, is a reaction to the lack of engagement the INTP can have with the emotional concerns of others?

Am I close to the mark here on Feeling?

 

[Stanton Moore]

I like INTP's. Sure, they can rationalist asshats, but so can I.
It's interesting isn't it? That when you carve a little space for someone else, and don't react to everything, they start to act more naturally and less defensively. then you get to know the person beneath the reaction. It's beautiful. try it with an INTP today.

 

[A_priori]

I like INTPs also, they have longevity.

 

[Betty Blue]

A certain coldness, which i suppose could be perceieved as detachment or a state of aloofness. But really i mean cold.

 

[Standuble]

I would say selfishness and lack of caring - in other words a perception that you cannot expect a Ti-dom to watch your back and that any needs you have as a person would be irrelevant to them. When faced with a person making your life difficult who you cannot appeal to in any way or form then despair, frustration and powerlessness will set in.

Your definition of feeling is incorrect. I am very unsure that a concise and accurate definition exists but if I were to attempt to articulate my definition I would say it is the measure of an object's worth and value. Feeling does not require attachment per se; you can measure what something is worth whilst maintaining a detached position.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Your definition of feeling is incorrect. I am very unsure that a concise and accurate definition exists but if I were to attempt to articulate my definition I would say it is the measure of an object's worth and value. Feeling does not require attachment per se; you can measure what something is worth whilst maintaining a detached position.

I've actually been reading Jung since I last posted in this thread, and even he seem to struggle with defining Feeling. He says "this isn't what feeling actually is, but this is how it appears" on multiple occasions. He describes it as being about accepting or rejecting something. Presumably, something that is "worth" a lot to a feeler is something they accept. How does that sound to you?

Extraverted Feeling tries to divorce this from the subject as much as possible, whereas introverted Feeling does not.