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  • selfishness

    4 12.90%
  • arrogance

    7 22.58%
  • insensitivity

    4 12.90%
  • immaturity

    1 3.23%
  • rigidity

    3 9.68%
  • detachment/apathy

    6 19.35%
  • Other (Explain!)

    6 19.35%
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    I'm not sure I've met any offline. Online they appear to be either well-rounded or complete arseholes. I suspect this stems from being in a world of people unlike them who don't seem to care about the knowledge or search for accurate truths that they do.

    But you can ignore ITP's for the most part, they usually just fade into the background. It's the TJ's that wind me up, assertive is not "I'm gonna be a fucking cunt here and just barge through everything regardless".

    On the other hand....I have more fun pissing about so I win because it winds them up.

    Also I acknowledge that there is no factual or logical discourse in this post and I also know that there could be a potential cavalcade of people replying to tell me how I misunderstand their position as TJ's and that I would remind them that this just digging a bigger hole.

    Why do some people go out of their way to make sure everyone else knows they are correct? It's not very efficient after all and comes across as emotional insecurity, not factual accuracy. If the facts do indeed speak for themselves, show them to me and keep your mouth shut.
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    I just have a hard time imagining someone easier to live with than my INTP. He's really more like a grumpy teddy bear with an overpowered brain than anything else.
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    They can be seriously abrasive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I went with arrogance, but "other" would include SENSITIVITY. They have an irritability and dismissiveness that strikes one as EMOTIONAL (inferior Fe!). Another is poor ability to empathize, instead dismissing people as stupid because they don't do as the INTP does. Also the claim of objectivity when steeped in bias is annoying.
    I've noticed this online also. I'm come to think that it makes no sense to claim objectivity, and when one does, it is a sign of lacking it. It should be self-evident if it is actually the case. Having a personal identity of being objective is a bit ironic since it is external and merely what is, not what we perceive and identify with being.

    Edit: I'll add that people who identify as objective and non-emotional can often project their emotional states onto others either by pushing buttons, or just seeing the other person as having their own motivations and emotions. All of this can apply to other types, but relates to people who see themselves as logical and objective.
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    I created this thread, because I wanted to see if my perceptions of NF discomfort with NTs was correct. The lion's share of the discomfort appears to be apathy/detachment and arrogance, which is along the lines of what I was expecting.

    Interesting.

    I was hoping to figure out from this a better sense of what feeling actually is. Might feeling be understood as an intense engagement with the world, and perhaps other human beings? This would explain why the detachment is off-putting, The arrogance, is a reaction to the lack of engagement the INTP can have with the emotional concerns of others?

    Am I close to the mark here on Feeling?
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    I like INTP's. Sure, they can rationalist asshats, but so can I.
    It's interesting isn't it? That when you carve a little space for someone else, and don't react to everything, they start to act more naturally and less defensively. then you get to know the person beneath the reaction. It's beautiful. try it with an INTP today.

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    I like INTPs also, they have longevity.

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    A certain coldness, which i suppose could be perceieved as detachment or a state of aloofness. But really i mean cold.
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    I would say selfishness and lack of caring - in other words a perception that you cannot expect a Ti-dom to watch your back and that any needs you have as a person would be irrelevant to them. When faced with a person making your life difficult who you cannot appeal to in any way or form then despair, frustration and powerlessness will set in.

    Your definition of feeling is incorrect. I am very unsure that a concise and accurate definition exists but if I were to attempt to articulate my definition I would say it is the measure of an object's worth and value. Feeling does not require attachment per se; you can measure what something is worth whilst maintaining a detached position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    Your definition of feeling is incorrect. I am very unsure that a concise and accurate definition exists but if I were to attempt to articulate my definition I would say it is the measure of an object's worth and value. Feeling does not require attachment per se; you can measure what something is worth whilst maintaining a detached position.
    I've actually been reading Jung since I last posted in this thread, and even he seem to struggle with defining Feeling. He says "this isn't what feeling actually is, but this is how it appears" on multiple occasions. He describes it as being about accepting or rejecting something. Presumably, something that is "worth" a lot to a feeler is something they accept. How does that sound to you?

    Extraverted Feeling tries to divorce this from the subject as much as possible, whereas introverted Feeling does not.
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