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    Default Why are IJs Pi-dom and IPs Ji-dom?

    Sorry is this is a really elementary question, but I've never come across any explanation. Why would an introverted judger lead with a perceiving function (and vice versa), while an extraverted judger would lead with a judging function?
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    Because for some reason it was decided that the last letter at the end of each type would be for what function that type extraverts in, so INFP's for example would extravert Ne as that is the function they most outwardly use extraverted types of course use their dominant.

    I might have to check Gifts Differing again, but I can't remember a decent reason off the top of my head for why it was structured that way.

    Essentially, though, it appears to be something to do with the nature of extraversion and introversion. So introverts don't openly show their dominant, instead their secondary comes to light, whereas with extraverts their dominant is extraverted already, but people don't always notice their capacity for introspection because of this.

    And since extraversion has more focus on the external, it follows, (on the creator's terms of course), that IP's are perceivers, because that is how they relate to the outside world and it's structure and the same goes for IJ's as judgers.
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    It's probably best if you imagine the types as INFPe and INFJe. All the P and the J mean is that the extroverted perceiving or the extroverted judging function is preferred. It does not mean that a P individual will prefer a perceiving function most of all or a J would prefer a judging function most of all.

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    Just to go off from what the others said: the dichotomy is shorthand for which type of function (J/P) they use to engage the world. Judgers engage the world with their J function (which gives them stereotypes such as being ordered, on time for events etc), and Percievers with their P function. So while, say, an ISTJ is technically a P-dom because of Si, it is introverted; thus they extrovert their J function (Te) so it's called ISTJ. In Socionics there isn't this problem - the final letter dictates whether their actual dominant function is I or E, rather than showing which is orientated to the outer world, which is a lot less of an irritating system, in my opinion.

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    Makes sense. Thanks.

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    I suspect that it began at least in part because J/P is so much easier to observe externally than Pi/Ji... lol...

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    I used to be confused too but I guess it makes sense. In a way IXXJs share certain 'judgy' qualities with extroverted judgers, so it would be even more confusing to have it the other way round.
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    J types have their first J function in extraverted attitude.
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    Would definitely take away from the validity of 4-letter tests & would also explain why IxxJs, when well developed, begin to look like IxxPs (and vice versa). I understand why the system was set up this way, but I still prefer what Socionics does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by decrescendo View Post
    Sorry is this is a really elementary question, but I've never come across any explanation. Why would an introverted judger lead with a perceiving function (and vice versa), while an extraverted judger would lead with a judging function?
    Because looking at the actual functions makes the system too complicated for people who only have a passing interest in typology or only need it in so far as it can help them to interact with people of a known type. Functions really only come into play when you're trying to determine what type another person is. If you know what they are, it doesn't matter one bit. You just need to know what characteristics that type generally has.

    Even though IJs may be perception dominant and IPs judging dominant, you don't see the introverted functions as much, so it's easier and simpler to just refer to them by what they extravert.
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