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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    I sat here for a really long time trying to figure out if I agreed or disagreed with the bolded. It's a really difficult call for me to make because ENFJs so phenomenal at completely controlling every aspect of any environment without you even knowing they are doing it...to be able to have that luxury.
    Isn't that lovely?

    Whereas ENFPs tend to react more immediately because we don't want to deal with having to orchestrate anything. We need you to stop what you are doing now so we can get back to the business of thinking about a lot of crazy shit. I have definitely seen...even the loveliest of ENFJs that don't belong to my family...completely lose their emotional minds when their efforts to synchronize the entire world fail.
    I suppose their lows are rarer but stronger, on average.

    There was an interesting thread about FJ&TP vs TJ&FP courtship made by Wind up Rex a while ago, and what you mention seems compatible with the typical TJ&FP dynamics.

    Still, I failed to synchronize my question. Perhaps there is some truth to these 'no matter how unlikeable and offensive I am to the majority of the world's population...I will *forever score* with >insert type<'...but I'm a bit skeptical.
    I think there's some truth to it. I mean, you can't call anyone an airhead and expect the person to fall in love with you, but an ideal type should induce us to bring our best self (according to their standards) without much effort.

    Even if there is in fact a substantial decrease in the number of misunderstandings...there will still be misunderstandings. Do you feel an average ENxJ would look past the comments and suggestions that appear in this thread if they were made in reference to them?
    Covered.

    I just think it is so dangerous to assign the blame to the other person's type...and wanted to see if you felt the same.
    Agreed. I primarily blame dynamics though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhus View Post
    Metaphorically speaking.

    I'm INTP and I've felt the magnetic pull that only ENFPs seem to have over me. But I scare away most of them. I'm not mean or creepy so why do you run away? I'm just weird. Am I giving off some creepy vibes? I checked the mirror and I don't have an evil pulsating green boil that on my forehead.

    ENFPs, how do your perceive INTPs? I'm outgoing and clownish for an INTP.
    I've never had this problem. For some reason, I attract more ENFP women than any other type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typhus View Post
    You ENFPs really seem to take comments rather personally.
    Lol, yes, true. Fi guarantees it.

    What I meant to say: I love ENFPs, but I don't undertand them! They do all these weird, awesome things and... what yes, now that you mention it some of them do come off as airheaded, I wonder why that -
    Okay, see, that's true. Some do come off as airheaded. I'm sure sometimes I come off as airheaded. Because, honestly, as an ExFP sp-last, I totally fail at the basics of "living" sometimes, I totally fail at balancing my feelings with logic sometimes, and I totally fail at social grace sometimes. Personally, the only things that are my saving grace are my endless theoretical curiosity, which results in me having quite a lot of conceptual knowledge, my e6, which results in me being generally careful and consequence-oriented, and my sx dominance, which causes me to dig deeper quite a bit.

    I think an important thing with ENFPs, though, is that we can be super airheaded from the outside, but if you hit on the right thing, we're golden. My good ENFP 9w1 so/sp friend is kind of airheady and gossipy sometimes, but she's really into military history, for whatever reason, and can give you this insanely astute detailed analysis of the historical factors leading into the two World Wars, all the political forces and cultural influences and so on. Also, it's just a sad fact that we don't have as nuanced and eloquent communication as we do clear fluidity of conceptual thought, so we can be a bit bumbly about our words. A lot of us typically need more than one try and the help of a "sounding board" - be that another person or a specific medium - to get our really good ideas out. (As you can probably tell from my post count, writing is a really helpful process for myself).

    But if you believe in weird things (astrology, homeopathy etc.), I won't automatically condemn you for it, but I expect you will be providing me proof to support this claim.
    ENFPs like systems. We like complex, symmetric, closed-loop systems. We like their inherent aesthetic, we like their balance, we like the idea of a beautiful and serendipitous universe. And not just that - we like overlapping and interconnecting systems. We like seeing how an INTP e6 differs from an INTP e5. We like everything fitting together and making sense and coming out a big beautiful kaleidoscope of possibility. We like that astrological signs line up with zodiac constellations line up with seasons line up with temperatures line up with light line ups with birth and death and the grand cycle of life. It's hard to explain, but it's all about enjoying all the systems that interlock and make up everything we know. We revel in patterns.

    So, speaking as an ENFP who doesn't really believe in astrology (or homeopathy, but I don't know as much about it), I still have a good working knowledge of all the signs, their dates, their characteristics, and the sun/moon/ascendent/houses/etc. The system is fascinating for its patterns in and of itself. As for those who do believe, well, I can't say that they're necessarily wrong. I might not personally really agree, but who am I to possess enough knowledge to determine with absolute confidence that they are wrong? As long as the believers aren't causing harm to anyone, live and let live.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    I think there's some truth to it. I mean, you can't call anyone an airhead and expect the person to fall in love with you, but an ideal type should induce us to bring our best self (according to their standards) without much effort.
    Yes, true.

    At the same time, there are so many variables that can play into it. My parents - happily married over 30 years - are ESFJ-INTP, and I think one of the most powerful bonds in their relationship is sp-sp, in addition to the Fe/Ti-Si/Ne and Ti/Fe-Ne/Si matchup.

    Personally I tend to get along with Fe dom/aux well for reasons I can't fully explain. I know there are other ENFPs who mesh better with other types. JockTheMotie (INTP 5w6 sx/sp) and mmhmm (ENFP 8w7 sx/sp) are a notable INTP-ENFP couple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    freeekkyyy, what does 'trying too hard' mean to you? I guess I've never understood this phrase. Like, I can't even imagine being attracted to someone that wasn't 'trying too hard'. Is this advice meant to prevent Typhus from say...making a fool of himself in front of an individual or group? That it would be better for him to stay just as he is in order to save him from a little embarrassment?
    I mean it looks forced. Like it's got more to do with trying to win a contest than to love or be loved. I don't know how true it is, it's probably an Fe/Fi issue, but that's how it looks to me. Of course, I'm not even an ENFP to begin with, nor am I a female, but all I can do is call it as I see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Isn't that lovely?
    How so? <--Actually, don't answer that. The focus should remain on ENFPs and their pantaloni...
    It's just funny because I know you have no idea how anxious your tiny, perhaps frivolous question makes me. I fear part of the answer will reveal why the phrase "loving you is easy" was assigned to the INTPs.


    I suppose their lows are rarer but stronger, on average.
    So, what non-NF types do you feel drawn to Rasofy?


    I think there's some truth to it. I mean, you can't call anyone an airhead and expect the person to fall in love with you, but an ideal type should induce us to bring our best self (according to their standards) without much effort.
    Agreed. I primarily blame dynamics though.
    Totally.





    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I've never had this problem. For some reason, I attract more ENFP women than any other type.
    It's your avatar. Nothing says 'quality' faster than a man confident enough to wield an avatar like that.



    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    I mean it looks forced. Like it's got more to do with trying to win a contest than to love or be loved. I don't know how true it is, it's probably an Fe/Fi issue, but that's how it looks to me. Of course, I'm not even an ENFP to begin with, nor am I a female, but all I can do is call it as I see it.
    I think I do understand what you are saying now. I guess I generally imagine people, where the objective is to 'win' as opposed to 'push themselves to do better', have developed those skills long ago and so it would not appear forced to an outsider necessarily. I'm quite sure none of that made sense. I just accept that when we push ourselves outside of our comfort zone it is likely to look a little forced in the beginning and I make myself see all the beauty those moments possess.

    I was at Starbucks once. And immediately after I had set up my computer, etc... at a table next to me (so close - I could easily set my own coffee on their table) sits a couple that were clearly on a blind date. And it was so awful. So uncomfortable for me as I tend to want to suck all the awkwardness out of those type of situations so the people can 'find each other'. Which may, again, not make a lot of sense to you but I ask you to trust me when I say...this was 'forced' x 1000. And perhaps it is the case that some people may mock this kind of situation. Some may provide advice on how to avoid such experiences... which may be to 'not try too hard' or worse to 'not try at all.' <--this was not what you were referring to I gather and I appreciate you letting me know. I'm certainly willing to stand a bit of awkwardness to be in the presence of such courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    How so? <--Actually, don't answer that. The focus should remain on ENFPs and their pantaloni...
    It's just funny because I know you have no idea how anxious your tiny, perhaps frivolous question makes me. I fear part of the answer will reveal why the phrase "loving you is easy" was assigned to the INTPs.
    Probably. See, instead of looking for possible hidden meanings (probably the source of your anxiety) in my words using a cognitive function that I'm barely aware of, an ENFJ would usually just pick the idea that makes more sense and go with the flow.

    You might be giving me too much credit. INTP communication is usually simple, as we don't like leaving room from dubious interpretations. A seemingly carefree remark is more often than not indeed a carefree remark.

    That strategy works with INTJs pretty well though. They seem to enjoy leaving their points agglutinate - and those are usually Fi-aware -, so they'll appreciate you for finding hidden meanings that make sense to them.

    So, what non-NF types do you feel drawn to Rasofy?
    I like the INTXs, but it's challenging to go beyond the intellectual connection with them.

    Totally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Probably. See, instead of looking for possible hidden meanings (probably the source of your anxiety) in my words using a cognitive function that I'm barely aware of, an ENFJ would usually just pick the idea that makes more sense and go with the flow.
    I don't create drafts of posts... (I even edit after the fact - so bad). Basically, I just write what comes into my mind... and I think it was unfair of me to have made reference to that part/quote while simultaneously shutting down that aspect of the conversation. I should have gone back and taken it out entirely. I'm quite convinced an ENFJ would have thought to do this haha. I just became concerned it was a derail of Typhus' thread... but does it matter? Typhus is totally going for the wrong type anyway I want to hear what you have to say.


    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    I sat here for a really long time trying to figure out if I agreed or disagreed with the bolded. It's a really difficult call for me to make because ENFJs so phenomenal at completely controlling every aspect of any environment without you even knowing they are doing it...to be able to have that luxury.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Isn't that lovely?
    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    How so?

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    If anything, the Ne connection would probably be AWESOME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    If anything, the Ne connection would probably be AWESOME.
    When we both tell our Xi to take a chill pill, it must certainly is
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    @Starry

    It's your avatar. Nothing says 'quality' faster than a man confident enough to wield an avatar like that.
    It is a great avatar isn't it?

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