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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    See here's my deal. There are some INFJ 4's who I bump into who are motorcycle riding gymnasts who read "great expectations" one too many times. Then there are INFJ 4's I meet who listen to sigur ros and hate motorcycles and hate leaving their houses and pretty much hate everything stated prior and are more interested in drawing pictures and talking to their cat about the sound of the rain against the glass.

    One I have absolute love and adoration for, the other makes me cringe.

    There is a completely different change in flavor. A great inconsistency. So I move over to INFP's. Its the same exact thing. The only system I've found that's had any competence in separating the differences for me is socionics.

    However Extroverts almost never have an issue with swapping the J/P

    I think there's even a website dedicated to solving the differences. If we're going by Kiersey, sure. J/P difference is easy to see. But a lot of people don't actually know what the functional definitions are online.

    The only functional definitions I've ever read that have a shred of consistency or logical sense derived from their name is here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...MBTI-Functions
    This is because you're very focused on outward traits like taste & actions, which is typical of an SP. I notice SPs tend to like Keirsey &/or socionics a lot because they tend to categories according to observable behaviors & social roles. There is certainly some validity to that (such as what I just did to you, hehe), but then you cannot claim to be grouping by thought processes, or it's a poor way to do it if taken too literally.

    Around here, Jung is sort of king because his functions define cognitive processes, not the way a person functions outwardly (although it often provides clues, yes). Any specifics he mentions are meant to illustrate more than define.

    This is also why there is not a clear alignment with socionics & MBTI (based more on Jung & thinking styles than socionics). The difference is more marked with introverts because we're defined more by inner self than outer self, yet we often have a "face" that appears more like our auxiliary extroverted function. That's why J/P distinctions can be clues for type, although not rigid rules either. I would also look at J/P in terms of mentality over behavior, as much as possible.

    What you quote is Lenore Thompson - good book, and you get a clear idea between INFPs & INFJs in there that is more focused on mental attitudes. However, her INFP descriptions are heavily e9, IMO. Shirley Manson is VERY ENFP in my eyes, and being a 4, she looks similar to many INFP e4s (I relate to her a lot; bias? YES). Fiona Apple is another INFP e4; more fiery, less gentle.

    Anyhow, you can have two individuals who think quite differently but take the same action for different reasons, or even the same reason arrived at in a very different manner, and vice versa - two individuals who have similar styles of thinking act quite differently for the same reason or because they've arrived at different conclusions.

    The thing with INFJs & INFPs is with inferior sensing, whether inferior Se or tert Si, there's an inconsistency in what individuals will be open to or inclined to pursue. INFPs tend to be more flexible, spontaneous & novelty driven (Ne), but perhaps need prodding (not taking initiative on their own - poor Je). INFJs can be more motivated to act on their own (Je stuff), but seriously confine sensory experience to what suits their inner vision; however, when something aligns they can be very into it, perhaps more engaged in it than an absent-minded INFP.

    If you're dealing with e4s, then you're dealing with inner images, and some may romanticize a spontaneous, motorcycle riding image & others may not. Both types are driven to be "ideal", which means a kind of well roundedness that may begin to include more physical activity, especially with age. When I was a child, sports scared me & my defense was a disdain for them (meatheads!), but I idealized more graceful, solitary physical activities. So I liked the idea of surfing, but never followed through on it. The motorcycle thing sounds cool, but in all honesty, I know my obliviousness might make me end up in a coma. I'm not really sure about INFJs take on this, but I just know I see inconsistency in them too, and I think it's about how in control they may feel in a physical activity.

    So yeah, some INFJs & INFPs may be like your latter description & some may much more cerebral. Generally, older & more developed individuals will be more open to experiences which don't jive with their inherent nature, regardless of type. And people are more than their type, so many other factors come into play when it comes to interests, behaviors, and even demeanor.

    And to have such love/hate reactions to different individuals of your "opposite" type is very common. People tend to idealize or be repulsed by their anima/animus, and which reaction occurs can boil down to the individual they're dealing with. So for some INFJs to fascinate you & garner admiration but others to annoy you & inspire disdain is perfectly natural.

    The dynamic I have with ESTPs as an INFP is much less extreme. It's more like benevolent indifference to a casual liking just because we're both laid-back Pe types. We'll work well together creatively as long as they don't get too greedy & I don't get too windy (oops! :P).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    If you're dealing with e4s, then you're dealing with inner images, and some may romanticize a spontaneous, motorcycle riding image & others may not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post

    And to have such love/hate reactions to different individuals of your "opposite" type is very common. People tend to idealize or be repulsed by their anima/animus, and which reaction occurs can boil down to the individual they're dealing with. So for some INFJs to fascinate you & garner admiration but others to annoy you & inspire disdain is perfectly natural.
    this is also one the things that i consider to be important, people might start to project things from their inferior function onto somebody who may have this function as their dominant, funnily enough in the case of anima/animus this often centers around how you view the opposite sex, they see it as something outside of themselves that they don't quite own and which is not quite under their conscious control, seeing it manifested within another person for whom this function is quite natural, may either trigger some inferior complex, or some great attraction or they feel that it is so far from their dominant perspective that they just outright reject it.

    so in case of anima/animus and opposite sex you might either get an INFJ who feels quite attracted to this aggressive, dominant 'Se- image' (think of the stereotype of the rather disciplined and organized INFJ girl who might feel some great attraction to a 'bad boy Se image') or someone who may look down on Se, seeing Se- leading users as just too simple minded and not really getting the core of the subject. (like for example this stereotyped way of INFJ artist snubbery who deems everything to senseory as shallow and inferior to his deep and meanigful compositions)

    of course in real life it might manifest very differently and my examples may be a bit exaggerated in order to get across what i mean.

    thing is with projecting your anima/animus is that you may fail to see that this is something that is also quite part of you, but that you might somehow reject because of the strong stance your dominant has, going back to my example that girl might be very attracted to this dominant, aggressive, factual, hands on Se- image she might project on the opposite sex, but she fails to see that her anima/animus is also part of herself.

    so instead of projecting it and trying to 'own it' by maybe starting a relationship with such a person (which is only just based on the way how you see him)
    it would be maybe more beneficial to see how this part works for you, because the older you get the more you might understand your inferior and develop it and what kind of happens is that you don't need the other person for it any more and when the relationship was just based on that well this may the point where it falls apart. (not to mention that that person might be vastly different to what you project onto them)

    what i see within myself is that i often might hesistate to put myself out into a sensory experience, like grasping an opportunity that i haven't processed with Ni, lacking the courage to do it, because it just showed up spontaniously and i feel i need some time to think about it, so i might retreat and start thinking to much about it, going back and forth, feeling some kind of fear because i don't know where it may lead me (Ni), then after some time i realize that i just overthought and best way to handle it is to take the situation just at face value and learn how to improvise and work with the things i got at hand instead of planning and thinking to much about that stuff.

    well this is maybe just one aspect of many how the inferior function might creep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Arendee View Post
    What's the difference between INFJ and INFP?

    I have my own ideas but I'd like to hear what everyone here thinks.
    Very simply, (maybe too simply) INFJs will be more concerned with "making a better world." INFPs are more likely to be concerned with "understanding" their fellow person. (I hope this doesn't sound like an attack on either one of these types, or seeing them as less valuable than the other, because that certainly isn't the intent)
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Very simply, (maybe too simply) INFJs will be more concerned with "making a better world." INFPs are more likely to be concerned with "understanding" their fellow person. (I hope this doesn't sound like an attack on either one of these types, or seeing them as less valuable than the other, because that certainly isn't the intent)
    I'm INFP and it's closer to "understanding and sharing insight so a better world can be achieved." The difference is unlike an INFJ I don't think I'm correct or qualified to determine what that better world would be so I would do what I can so the world can build their own better world. I don't believe I would be happy in a world after an INFJ has "made it better".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    I'm INFP and it's closer to "understanding and sharing insight so a better world can be achieved." The difference is unlike an INFJ I don't think I'm correct or qualified to determine what that better world would be so I would do what I can so the world can build their own better world. I don't believe I would be happy in a world after an INFJ has "made it better".
    Right, that's pretty much what I meant. I guess I was being a little bit imprecise there.
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    INFJ's are sleek and sexy. Probably into high end fashion, positions of power, impressed by high competency, intelligence. Concerned with and enjoy playing into role, who's doing what. Close to ISTP with interpersonal habits.

    INFP's are clunky and cute. Probably give up make-up a quarter of the way into life, seek to maximize personal freedom habitually. Unpressured by most environments, most idealized perceptions of the spectrum and intolerant of outlying factors. Close to ESTJ with interpersonal habits, has Te that puts Ti users to shame.


    A little dogmatic and stereotypical, but meh, what's typology for if not this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    INFJ's are sleek and sexy. Probably into high end fashion, positions of power, impressed by high competency, intelligence. Concerned with and enjoy playing into role, who's doing what. Close to ISTP with interpersonal habits.

    INFP's are clunky and cute. Probably give up make-up a quarter of the way into life, seek to maximize personal freedom habitually. Unpressured by most environments, most idealized perceptions of the spectrum and intolerant of outlying factors. Close to ESTJ with interpersonal habits, has Te that puts Ti users to shame.

    A little dogmatic and stereotypical, but meh, what's typology for if not this.
    Actually, I've never heard that stereotype for an INFJ. It sounds more like an ESTJ. Your description is far more focused on the concrete world than a Ni-dom is. Your description combines Te and Si or possibly Se.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Actually, I've never heard that stereotype for an INFJ. It sounds more like an ESTJ. Your description is far more focused on the concrete world than a Ni-dom is. Your description combines Te and Si or possibly Se.
    Short of the bit about being like ISTP in perosnal habits, it does sound strikingly like an ENFJ 3w4 so/sp that I know. Perhaps he knows an INFJ 3 so-first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Actually, I've never heard that stereotype for an INFJ. It sounds more like an ESTJ. Your description is far more focused on the concrete world than a Ni-dom is. Your description combines Te and Si or possibly Se.

    We embody all eight functions, it only makes sense the things that drive us would contain elements of each one.

    Despite this, much of what I have stated is the result of Ni + Fe. I bet you could throw out some equal veined lines of thought if you shifted the formula to Si + Fe. Then there's the factor of Fe being a substitute for Te, the thinking really does go on and on...

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