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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    I must say that your answer is unacceptable because passionate, empathetic and quixotic all stem from the same root. NF primacy of feeling over thought.

    so you're 2 for 5.
    I don't think that quixotic should be considered to stem from the same root as passionate and empathetic, as quixotic is about ideas and vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    I don't think that quixotic should be considered to stem from the same root as passionate and empathetic, as quixotic is about ideas and vision.
    Quixotic by definition implies romantic. You dont see too many thorough-going thinkers being hopeless romantics do you?

    Like how many INTPs... ENTJs... ISTPs... or ESTJs that you know would use Quixotic as one of the five words they would describe themselves or their type in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Quixotic by definition implies romantic. You dont see too many thorough-going thinkers being hopeless romantics do you?

    Like how many INTPs... ENTJs... ISTPs... or ESTJs that you know would use Quixotic as one of the five words they would describe themselves or their type in?
    So quixotic is a great word for NFs, right?

    The word means impractically idealistic, and for the record, I wouldn't describe myself as such, as I think that I'm a pretty realistic idealist. That said, since I spend half of my life scrutinizing people's answers to questions: If someone put "idealistic" and "quixotic" on the same list, then it would make sense to strike one off. That "quixotic" and "empathetic" are on the same list shouldn't be a problem because they don't mean the same thing. MAYBE "passionate" and "empathetic" shouldn't be on the same list (though I would disagree with that too; Toonia responded well with the reason).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    So quixotic is a great word for NFs, right?

    The word means impractically idealistic, and for the record, I wouldn't describe myself as such, as I think that I'm a pretty realistic idealist. That said, since I spend half of my life scrutinizing people's answers to questions: If someone put "idealistic" and "quixotic" on the same list, then it would make sense to strike one off. That "quixotic" and "empathetic" are on the same list shouldn't be a problem because they don't mean the same thing. MAYBE "passionate" and "empathetic" shouldn't be on the same list (though I would disagree with that too; Toonia responded well with the reason).

    All of these words apply and should be stated in 1 term. Quixotic which then leads to empathetic, passionate ..idealistic etc....

    The advantage of using 5 isolated words is that they tell us more about an entity... You can say 1 isolated word and invoke 5-20 more ideas... and you can say 5 connected words and invoke less ideas than you otherwise would with 1...

    I do not see Toonia's argument at all I've read it several times and still do not see cogency in it..... or yours for that matter.... Neither of you did anything about my claim that quixotic... passionate..compassionate... etc... all of this stemms from NFs having quality F skills. Idealism as I understand for this word to mean in this context, having an idealistic mindset, seeing the best in others and trying to encourage positive change. This is a property of F/NF... Being a great visionary does not get you this quality... Think about the ENTP and INTJ(primary N).... you would not call them idealistic would you? And again I do not think that you can be empathetic unless you're passionate first.. you dont see too many dispassionate ISTPs develop great empathy, you wouldnt I bet.

    I think we better stop here and make sure that we associate the same ideas with the words that we use, we are not too far off from getting into a fight over pesky, stupid little words that shed no light on what transcends them.

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    Dude, quixotic is at least as much intuition as it is feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Dude, quixotic is at least as much intuition as it is feeling.
    How about the INTJ/ENTP both primary Intuitors? Want to call them quixotic too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    How about the INTJ/ENTP both primary Intuitors? Want to call them quixotic too?
    You asked for words that describe NFs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    You asked for words that describe NFs.

    The point is that Quixotic has more to do with Feeling than Intuitions and we know that NTs are less quixotic than NFs. Hence highly iNtuitive types like INTJ and ENTP are not quixotic, yet I do agree that it has something to do with iNtuition, so NTs are more so than STs. Yet again its manifest to me that Feeling is the salient factor.

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    Again with the ranking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    The point is that Quixotic has more to do with Feeling than Intuitions and we know that NTs are less quixotic than NFs. Hence highly iNtuitive types like INTJ and ENTP are not quixotic, yet I do agree that it has something to do with iNtuition, so NTs are more so than STs. Yet again its manifest to me that Feeling is the salient factor.
    If we are talking about any given NF, we've got two things to work with: Feeling and Intuition. We can't specifically talk about Ni or Fi or Ne or Fe, because that would not apply to any given NF. We can't talk about introversion, extraversion, judgment, or perception. So I think either you need to come up with five unique words, or you need to stop being so irritatingly picky.

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