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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    Why is socialism still discussed?
    Because in the US apparently, people call anyone slightly to the left of them, a socialist. Can you believe people call Obama a socialist?

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    Hm, I'm an INFJ and I'd say I lean more to the right/identify with libertarian values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Ok so I've noticed that so many NFJ types are socialists and don't really understand the concept of capitalism. It seems like if it were up to the NFJ types we would all be making the same amount of money and everything would be free. Why is it that so many NFJ's constantly think of people that want to get as much money as possible for themselves as "selfish"? What's up with that? I'm assuming it's the Fe?
    I think that's kind of over-generalizing the INFJ personality. I'm not sure how many INFJs it took for you to come to your conclusion, but I know for myself that I'm for capitalism. I don't believe in government handouts. It would make the most sense to help people find jobs rather than teach them to be lazy by providing them with handouts funded by money that our nation doesn't possess or will possess at any time in the near future. I would think, as someone else had mentioned on this forum, that anti-capitalists would tend to be more of NFPs considering the J element of the NFJs personality would help them to be more deliberative; predicting possible obstacles further in advance in order to predict a realistic outcome whereas it seems that Perceivers are overall more known for making decisions on the spur of the moment.

    It seems that I often hear of anti-capitalists being all about taking money from the private corporations without considering that it's usually the same private corporations that are making it possible for people of the middle-class to have jobs in the first place through the funding of their branches. Or, you have the other issue of raising minimum wage so in turn the smaller businesses can be put out of business if they don't currently possess the money to raise the salaries for all of their employees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Why is it that so many NFJ's constantly think of people that want to get as much money as possible for themselves as "selfish"?
    When people refer to capitalism in this way they do no service to capitalism and they heap up judgement on themselves.

    "The problem with socialism is socialism; the problem with capitalism is capitalists." -William F. Buckley
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    I'm not a socialist, although maybe in comparison to American Republicans I might seem a little lefty. I'm from Canada. I vote conservative here, which is generally just slightly to the right of the middle. Liberals are slightly to the left and NDPs are leftier still. The green party I guess would be the leftyist of them all.

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    Maybe NFJ's like socialism because it is both an 'ism' - a fixed system - AND a 'nice' system - one which seems to be 'fair' and to treat the underdog well. This suits both their J preference, and their F preference. As intuitives, also, they are naturally inclined towards finding ways to save the whole world, big picture, idealistic, and less aware of daily, practical realities that, maybe, would lean SFJ types towards a more capitalist view?

    The INFJ I know best, though, is not a socialist at all and is quite tough on people. High expectations.

    I'm not sure that you can generalise about type and politics - so much of it depends on up-bringing, localised and external factors, education etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatharineML View Post
    I'm not sure that you can generalise about type and politics - so much of it depends on up-bringing, localised and external factors, education etc.
    I'm not sure you can generalise anything about typology in general, well actually you can, it just can't be proven outside of heuristics.

    Even then it is likely to be a selective bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    ^ That is not my reality. FPs are way more socialist in my world. FJs tend to be a bit more pragmatic and realistic.
    As much as I might disagree with some of the things you say, I would have to completely agree with your above stament.

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    If a fellow American calls me a socialist, I'm not going to sweat it. That would be like someone in just about any other developed country in the world calling me sane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    I'm not a socialist, although maybe in comparison to American Republicans I might seem a little lefty. I'm from Canada. I vote conservative here, which is generally just slightly to the right of the middle. Liberals are slightly to the left and NDPs are leftier still. The green party I guess would be the leftyist of them all.
    You're a socialist compared to 2013 American Republicans.

    There was some survey comparing 2010 perceptions of republicans to 2012 perceptions of republicans, and the Tea Party has swung it right off the rails of sanity. A lot of otherwise-would-be-republicans have temporarily bailed on the party, e.g., this guy: http://www.ericgarland.co/2012/11/09...-white-people/
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