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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Do you think theories, ideas and ideals are that innocent and pure, that they appear out of nowhere, that they have no history of their own?
    It doesn't matter how "innocent" anything is. What matters is whether something is true or not. Without thinking out the idea fully, how can you know?

    If Arendt was disagreeing with the idea of creating theories then I can't think of anything more stupid, and take back what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Gallop View Post
    It doesn't matter how "innocent" anything is. What matters is whether something is true or not. Without thinking out the idea fully, how can you know?

    If Arendt was disagreeing with the idea of creating theories then I can't think of anything more stupid, and take back what I said.
    Are you aware that, epistemologically speaking, theories are always wrong?

    That was the great rift caused by Aristotle against Plato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Are you aware that, epistemologically speaking, theories are always wrong?

    That was the great rift caused by Aristotle against Plato.

    θεωρία vs πρᾶξις!
    I don't know how you figure that one out. Any theory that gets affirmative results in experiments is probably true, no matter who came up with it or why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Gallop View Post
    I don't know how you figure that one out. Any theory that gets affirmative results in experiments is probably true, no matter who came up with it or why.
    I hope you're not a scientist!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    I hope you're not a scientist!
    Lol why? Science is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Gallop View Post
    Lol why? Science is awesome.
    Could you define what "Science" or "Truth" are, according to your point of view?

    Because I fear you're confusing the model with the real thing...

    Or rather, to say that with another sentence, you seem to confuse the model of reality with reality itself. And this is a classic mistake done by idealists and believers (no wonder you seem to like the company of our Lark so much).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Could you define what "Science" or "Truth" are, according to your point of view?

    Because I fear you're confusing the model with the real thing...

    Or rather, to say that with another sentence, you seem to confuse the model of reality with reality itself. And this is a classic mistake done by idealists and believers (no wonder you seem to like the company of our Lark so much).
    I have no idea what you meant by that...

    The truth is the big picture - everything, even what will never be known.

    Science is a system we use to find out as much about the truth as we can be justified in believing.

    And that's it really, in it's simplest terms.

    Why am I an Idealist/Believer? I've never been 100% sure about ANYTHING lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Ok so I've noticed that so many NFJ types are socialists and don't really understand the concept of capitalism. It seems like if it were up to the NFJ types we would all be making the same amount of money and everything would be free. Why is it that so many NFJ's constantly think of people that want to get as much money as possible for themselves as "selfish"? What's up with that? I'm assuming it's the Fe?
    Have you ever read Noam Chomsky? Definitely not a Fe approach to questioning aspects of Capitalism. He is a hardcore INTP. I don't subscribe to any ideology, so I don't think everyone should be paid exactly the same and everything free, etc., but I do think there are some inherent flaws in Capitalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Ok so I've noticed that so many NFJ types are socialists and don't really understand the concept of capitalism. It seems like if it were up to the NFJ types we would all be making the same amount of money and everything would be free. Why is it that so many NFJ's constantly think of people that want to get as much money as possible for themselves as "selfish"? What's up with that? I'm assuming it's the Fe?
    I've found, at least around these parts, that that applies more to the FPs than FJs. That's just based off personal interaction though. I think it would be tough to establish a broader trend either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Have you ever read Noam Chomsky? Definitely not a Fe approach to questioning aspects of Capitalism. He is a hardcore INTP. I don't subscribe to any ideology, so I don't think everyone should be paid exactly the same and everything free, etc., but I do think there are some inherent flaws in Capitalism.
    I don't know how you use the term, but I think part of the problem is that capitalism means different things to different people. To some, it means the corporatized, government-supported economy we seem to have in the United States. To others, it basically means a free market. I personally advocate as free a market as possible, but am strongly against government support for corporations, or any organization for that matter. Providing corporate welfare is one of the worst mistakes a government can ever make.
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