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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    I would rather eat my hair. Jeebus, can't we talk about anything else???
    My thoughts exactly.
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    Well Fi means "introverted and subjective perception of the World" and in that light its no wonder Fi-doms can talk about themselves for hours and hours. That in combination with the penchant of need to describe everything in precise details of how they perceived and experienced it, does make for a looooong list of threads .

    I know it first hand, I am living with a Fi-dom. But it aint hard, there are worser things in life. Still a clap on the back of their heads at time, to tell them there is more to the World than their own World, isnt such a bad thing .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    I would rather eat my hair. Jeebus, can't we talk about anything else???
    What's wrong with Fi reflection? Surely the Ti within would love the challenge of trying to dissect the function's inner components?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PuddleRiver View Post
    My thoughts exactly.
    You did not have to click this thread. The thread title is no doubt an eyesore in the forum but you could ignore it. Isn't picking and choosing what you want to see and hear an INFJ's forte?

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    @Standuble

    I'm just curious - and I don't mean it as an ad hominem (I don't throw those for no reason), but am actually curious - how does Fi value-giving fit together with nihilism? I'm not saying that it can't, but I'm not sure how they run together; could you explain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesthete View Post
    @Standuble

    I'm just curious - and I don't mean it as an ad hominem (I don't throw those for no reason), but am actually curious - how does Fi value-giving fit together with nihilism? I'm not saying that it can't, but I'm not sure how they run together; could you explain?
    An unexpected question in an unexpected place but one which I am interested in answering. I don't think the function itself leads to nihilism but more how the definition of that function may influence the grand scheme of things. This is a little simplified but I hope its sufficient:

    A) You come to the conclusion that the Fi leads to the creation of subjective ethics, morals, viewpoints and perspectives through the values you personally ascribe to it. You also conclude that the amount of value being placed is changing based on your own life circumstances.
    B) You come to the conclusion that Fe adapts a person to external values which have their origins in the Fi realm which obtained popularity. You also conclude that a society's morals and values can change over time.
    C) From the above two ideas you ask whether all morality, all ethics and all values have their roots in the subjective and working on the notion that the lack of agreed value has the implication that there may be no actual objective value, meaning and no objective ethics and morals in the universe.
    D) Observation of the outside world and situations where the value of an object changes e.g. 1kg of Helium-3 in the hands of a carpet cleaner compared to 1kg of Helium-3 in the hands of a nuclear physicist.
    E) Concluding that nothing has value and meaning in itself you eventually end up with nihilism.

    Be aware that Fi if anything actually undermines nihilism as the creation of value for the individual leads to a state of existentialism which asserts that an individual meaning and purpose can be achieved but that there is no inherent value or purpose in it. From my understanding NTs are better at remaining consistent with nihilism than NFs as value carries less sway over their decision making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standuble View Post
    Be aware that Fi if anything actually undermines nihilism as the creation of value for the individual leads to a state of existentialism which asserts that an individual meaning and purpose can be achieved but that there is no inherent value or purpose in it. From my understanding NTs are better at remaining consistent with nihilism than NFs as value carries less sway over their decision making.
    I thought that that's how you got to it, but I'm curious how Fi displays itself in you now that you're a nihilist? I mean, how does value-creating correspond with the non-existence of value?

    I thought I should ask this now before I forget, and this is a good place to discuss it as the topic is Fi, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesthete View Post
    I thought that that's how you got to it, but I'm curious how Fi displays itself in you now that you're a nihilist? I mean, how does value-creating correspond with the non-existence of value?

    I thought I should ask this now before I forget, and this is a good place to discuss it as the topic is Fi, anyway.
    It's nothing too bizarre. It's merely "this is what I feel/value and how I want to live my life but everything I am doing is without inherent meaning." It keeps the Fi humble in a way as it sees itself as one construct amongst many and asserts itself because it is no less meaningless than others. Of course I try and keep my values congruent with supporting evidence; I would personally value a theory built around observable science over one I do not believe to be true e.g valuing the idea that the planets revolve around the sun due to the star's bending of local space-time more than a theory that asserts that God moves the Sun across the sky by hand and creates wind by farting. This is a failure on my part on maintaining a purely nihilistic outlook. If Fi was the only function in effect I would probably become like a moral objectivist but this would be in the height of the moment, with the other three working away smoothly I see myself as understanding nihilism but falling short of its realisation.

    I do not think its possible or anyoneto become truly nihlist, the F function in humans will cause them to prefer one one object over another. Nihilism for me is to stare into an infinite abyss and to feel relatively comfortable in doing so. However I often find myself looking up into the sky for whichever reason and end up with periods of existentialism which are far easier for me to attain. I do not go further than that and do not believe in purpose or destiny and it will take me a lot of effort to change my mind into believing in objective ideals beyond a passing possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flameskull95 View Post
    I was wondering why there was so many INFP posts recently, and totally forgot that ENFJs, INFJs and ENFPs even existed. Is this typical for TypeC?
    I agree it seems like it goes in waves.

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    Anyway, does anyone have anything to say about Fi-value based judgments and how these judgments may work positively or negatively for other types or other INFPs?
    I think I've seen a lot of prejudice surrounding Fi-based users like INFPs and ISFPs and I was wondering whether anyone else is a survivor who would like to tell us about their battle scars..? If any
    Here are some past discussions on some of these topics I pulled up for you:
    Jung's Introverted Feeling Description
    Fi and its effect on others
    Describe the effects of Fi on your personality
    How do you experience Fi?
    Fi and long term repercussions
    Do you feel "safe" to openly & freely share your thoughts about Fi here?
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