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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    typical infp, still lives in the stone age when it comes to science . Get your info updated asap.
    Well, marijuana at least is known to cause shrinkage of the brain region that deals with orienting yourself in space and short-term memory. I have no idea about other drugs, but I'm sure they're not all candy and kittens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Unfortunately, drugs never work the way they are suppose to on me. Every time I have been stoned, I have found the experience to be disconcerting. Just like with alcohol, I can feel my mental processes slowing down and becoming hindered. It is not a feeling I enjoy.
    Ah depressants...

    Not the most "enhancing" group of drugs imo

    Nick named "downers" for a reason

    Great if you WANT to slow down, sounds as if that's not your desire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wyst View Post
    I have never been stoned and I don't feel an inclination to try it out. I have a very addictive personality, so I'm sure it'd be trouble...
    I've never been stoned either. Although, I'd at least like the opportunity to give it a try in a controlled environment and with good quality substances. How else am I going to know whether I'd like it or not. But since I too have a higly addictive personality, I'd most probably be in trouble as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky is BLUE! View Post
    I've never been stoned either. Although, I'd at least like the opportunity to give it a try in a controlled environment and with good quality substances. How else am I going to know whether I'd like it or not. But since I too have a higly addictive personality, I'd most probably be in trouble as well...
    Quitting cigarettes is hard enough. No WAY I'm getting into drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunki View Post
    Well, marijuana at least is known to cause shrinkage of the brain region that deals with orienting yourself in space and short-term memory. I have no idea about other drugs, but I'm sure they're not all candy and kittens.
    Well, you dont know what your talking about. Iv been researching what cannabis does to you pretty damn much for meny years. Like i told you, you have been lied. You allso think it causes lung(and maybe others too) cancer, makes your sperm bad and makes you melt if you smoke it too much?

    That study in the 50's that "proved" that cannabis destroys brain cells was with monkeys and they were kept in gas masks and had really strong cannabis all the time till they died basicly. Then they studied theyr brains and noticed dead brain cells. What they didnt tell you that they made the monkeys choke to the smoke and they didnt get enough oxygen and that caused the brain damage.. This has been corrected later, but do you see enyone talking about it like they talk about the dead brain cells? Quess why, because its illegal and no one wants to talk about illegal drugs being healthier than legal ones like alcohol and tobacco. You can search for really much info on more resent cannabis studies. They still try to make some studies that give the image of more negative resaults than what they really are, its part of the propaganda against cannabis. But if you see what more respectfull scientists who did study cannabis say, they just laught at these propaganda "researches".

    The thing with cannabis is that meny people get passive when they smoke, and when they smoke often, they are often passive. Being passive all the time causes same thing happen to brains what happen to muscles, they get weak. Its not that cannabis makes you dumb, its the user who makes himself dumb by being too passive. Same thing can happen without cannabis allso. I like to do same things when im high than sober and i am more intrested of doing stuff when high, so i dont feel it effecting me in bad way.

    Allso what comes to mental health and cannabis, cannabis doesent cause them, it just triggers them if you allready got one coming. However, if you spend too much energy on being fucked up and you smoke way too much 24/7 it can cause social problems that can lead to mental problems.

    Addiction to cannabis is like addiction to junk food or candy, normal people dont get addicted to those, but if you got addictive tendecies you might get addicted to cannabis like you can get addicted to about enything.
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    But...you trip balls every night in your sleep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unique View Post
    Ah depressants...

    Not the most "enhancing" group of drugs imo

    Nick named "downers" for a reason

    Great if you WANT to slow down, sounds as if that's not your desire
    Eh, cannabis isn't really a "downer" per se, at least not in its mechanism of action. You do often get that "burnt out feeling" when the high goes away, probably my least favorite part of weed next to throat irritation.

    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Well, you dont know what your talking about. Iv been researching what cannabis does to you pretty damn much for meny years. Like i told you, you have been lied. You allso think it causes lung(and maybe others too) cancer, makes your sperm bad and makes you melt if you smoke it too much?
    Inhaling combustible plant material is bad for you, period. Yes, it can cause cancer, although one reason the risk isn't as high as with tobacco is that nicotine prevents your lungs from getting rid of the tar through vasoconstriction, while thc is a vasodilator so you don't have quite the same problem. But smoking anything is bad for you, and there can be no disputing that. Doesn't mean I don't do it from time to time, but there's no use deceiving oneself.

    But the biggest negatives of weed are due to the fact that it's smoked, not the actual drug itself, which can be vaporized or eaten. Studies in short term memory and iq show that heavy marijuana use drops i.q. around 3-6 points in the short term, but if the user quits, then it quickly returns to the previous point.

    Marijuana, like everything else, is best experienced in moderation, and I'm a firm believer that if you're going to put something into your body, you better have a damn good idea what it's doing to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
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    There's no real point in discussing this, because you can skew the evidence either way. For my part, I'm going to avoid drug-use, because I'm more prone to think it's unhealthy and I don't care to spend time in prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueinGreen View Post
    Inhaling combustible plant material is bad for you, period. Yes, it can cause cancer, although one reason the risk isn't as high as with tobacco is that nicotine prevents your lungs from getting rid of the tar through vasoconstriction, while thc is a vasodilator so you don't have quite the same problem. But smoking anything is bad for you, and there can be no disputing that. Doesn't mean I don't do it from time to time, but there's no use deceiving oneself.

    But the biggest negatives of weed are due to the fact that it's smoked, not the actual drug itself, which can be vaporized or eaten. Studies in short term memory and iq show that heavy marijuana use drops i.q. around 3-6 points in the short term, but if the user quits, then it quickly returns to the previous point.

    Marijuana, like everything else, is best experienced in moderation, and I'm a firm believer that if you're going to put something into your body, you better have a damn good idea what it's doing to you.
    Im not saying smoking is good for you, but its not the only way you can use cannabis, like you mentioned eating or vaporizing. Studies show that people who smoke tobacco and cannabis have lower risk of lung cancer than people who only smoke tobacco. Smoking tobacco causes cancer because of the radioactive incredients in it, not so much tar itself, but tar does you other bad stuff. Allso when you smoke tobacco, you smoke it much more than what you smoke cannabis, im not talking about one cigarette or one joint, but in x period of time.
    Studies made in jamaica, where they dont mix tobacco with cannabis shows that they dont get more lung cancer than people who doesent smoke cannabis. Cannabis prevents cancer, because cannabinoids (that people naturally have) is killing mutated cells and mutated cells are what causes cancer. Cannabinoids in cannabis works the same way as your natural cannabinoids, the difference is in the amount and the fact that when you take cannabis it spreads to much wider area than your own cannabinoids.

    What comes to memory drop, its mostly because of being passive, cannabis itself does cause that, but its been scientifically proven that the difference is so small that it doesent show in eny way.

    Different cannabinoids effect in your head different time, thc doesent effect long, but cbd that makes you stoned(instead high) when combined with thc effects longer. You can see it yourself, when you smoke several times a day and first time gets you more high feeling and later you get more passive(stoned), since cbd is still kicking. Cbd itself doesent have eny effect, but it alters the effects of thc and after there is so little thc left that you dont feel high, cbd makes the passive feeling stronger still, even if you arent high enymore, thats why you might feel bit tired the next day(and some maybe several days), unless you got used to smoking cannabis often.

    Personally i think the greatest thing about cannabis is that it lets me used my not so strong cognitive functions without me using more energy on them. It kinda feels like it takes the energy away from Ti and spreads it more even with all of the functions. Allso it works bit like hallucinogens by seperating different functions, but not that strongly as hallucinogens does. This helps me develope and understand how different functions work better than without smoking.

    Im not suggesting enyone to smoke cannabis, because its not good for you, unless your mental health is good, and you might not know about all the hidden shit you got in your head that cannabis might bring to surface. Alltho they might be good for you to treat those problems in the subconcious, even if you dont see them effecting you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    I do.

    I dislike being drunk on the other hand
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