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    Quote Originally Posted by jakuwhat View Post
    i think it's how all us infj's get our fix, no?
    Definitely me.

    And drugs

    No but seriously, drugs aren't necessarily bad to try, but they're definitely bad to use often. I know from experience. I even know a few stoners who exercise, do well in school, etc. and I still think it's holding them back.

    The opportunity cost of doing a drug is not being able to be sober and process emotions while sober. If you do drugs enough, you start to build coping mechanisms for being on that drug, so that when you aren't on it, the coping mechanisms are slightly misaligned. Which just makes you want to do the drug more.

    So even if you can handle doing a drug and can function well, you're NOT building sober coping strategies while you're on it. Which basically means you're putting off maturity for later.

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    It's always interesting to see a balanced view in threads.

    I'll add that I didn't compare drugs and alcohol to nicotine and caffeine. I actually was lumping them together in the same category. Yes. They are ALL mood altering chemicals. So's chocolate. All on the spectrum.

    Should you question this, think about how you feel if you don't have them when you are accustomed to them. Uncomfortable, right? And therein lies the addictive/habit forming quality of the mood-altering substances. We start using them to feel good and end up using them because we don't feel good unless we have them. With continued use they eventually turn on us.

    Where do we cross that individual line? No one can say. It's like a frog in a pot on a stove. The heat is turned up so gradually. We keep saying, "So far, so good." And then one day, surprise! How did I get into this mess?

    We all like to believe that intelligence, education and common sense are the factors which will prevent us from falling into problematic use. But that's a fallacy. A comforting one nonetheless.

    Our body's function is changed by the chemical and no amount of smarts can override that fact. Many famous addicts have been brilliant and productive. So functionality is no guarantee of safety either.

    Are we still ourselves when we are using? That one is still up for debate. It's no surprise that it is a confusing question. I have met murderers, rapists, child abusers who no longer use whom I would never believe could have done some of the things they have done. They say they can't believe it was really them either.

    The sad truth is that addiction is labled addiction because it has a definable process. It's progressive. And regardless of the substance will eventually lead to multiple problems in many life areas.

    The level of the severity of the substance will usually dictate the level of degree of the problems. It would be good to be able to predict what is safe use and what is not but it varies so much from individual to individual that it is very difficult to know what safe use is.

    We'd like to blame it on someone being dumb because that makes the rest of us who use feel safer. But addiction is no respecter of intelligence, education, class, status, sex, age, motivation. Any more than any other illness is.

    Do a habit-forming substance long enough and it is habit-forming. The weird thing is that because it is mood-altering it lulls us into thinking we are okay. Others can see it; we can't. That's why we started using it in the first place; we feel better. But eventually we slip from using to feel good to using to just feel normal. Eekers.

    It's a hard thing to talk about without raising uncomfortable feelings, itself.
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    no, get way too paranoid.

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    Depends. I kinda shut down though when I smoke, or just giggle. It makes me passive.
    Alcohol on the other hand....never completely smashed, just pleasantly tiddly is good.
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    of course. pot amplifies all your sensory perceptions and jacks up your meso-limbic pathway so you feel more engaged and satisfied with whatever you are doing. cleaning your apartment has never been so much fun!

    but listen to music, write out a stoned rap, draw, you get more sensory information than you normally do (including proprioceptive), especially for an Ni whose head is in the clouds. i actually prefer being alone or doing something totally social, as conversation isn't really as exciting bc it gets to be so scattered and anyone who holds the mic too long makes you forget what you were going to say. it absolutely prevents you from multi-tasking (ie listening and formulating speech simultaneously), and the attention and care and amplified sensory perceptions you get can unlock creativity in a great great way. especially for an Ni with inferior Se!

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    No, I don't really enjoy being stoned.
    It makes me really sleepy. I feel LESS aware.
    Plus I have asthma. Smoking isn't fun.
    I hate needing my inhaler.. I'm such a geek. :rolli:

    Stimulants on the other hand.. I enjoy quite a LOT.
    Illicit ones I steer clear of nowadays.
    They were never a major issue, but I saw the potential there, and slammed the door on that possibility post haste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    No, I don't really enjoy being stoned.
    It makes me really sleepy. I feel LESS aware.
    Plus I have asthma. Smoking isn't fun.
    I hate needing my inhaler.. I'm such a geek. :rolli:

    Stimulants on the other hand.. I enjoy quite a LOT.
    Illicit ones I steer clear of nowadays.
    They were never a major issue, but I saw the potential there, and slammed the door on that possibility post haste.
    yup, despite the wierd cat avatar I'd have to follow you there.
    Weed doesn't make me all giddy. It turns me awfully quiet.
    I'm all bout stimulants!

    I heart the occasional liter of vodka. Yes lex, you can have the gin.
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    Weed's cool every now and then. But I definitely get quieter, myself.

    Alcohol...I'm all over the freakin place when I'm drunk. It's that ENFP craziness * 1000. But I'm only a fan of a select number of drinks.

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    i'm not quieter actually...i might even be more unfiltered.
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    I got high on pain killers for a broken/smashed up foot. I was very outgoing and "fun" but my goodness I hated not being in control. I actually stopped taking them LONG before I was supposed to stop. Ew. My INFJ husband liked how it felt when he was on something for his back since he is always uptight.

    I think I'm already mostly high, no benefit to being "more" high.

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