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    Default NFPs, are we really as open minded as we think we are?

    descriptions tend to tout Ne, and NFPs in general, as among the most open types and, it's been my observation that, overall, we are....until you get to anything to do with their morals, in which case, our Fi can turn into just about the most closed minded function their is.
    for example, I tried an exercise where I contemplated the validity of socialism and, honestly, it was painful. I absolutely hate considering alternatives to my strong convictions. obviously, it's not as simple as "I'm good; you're evil!" but, if I were to be honest with myself, in my mind, I sometimes want it to be that way. sometimes I wish real life was as simple as a storybook where I'm the hero and my enemies are the scourge of evil and this can, at times, lead to self righteous, closed minded and antagonizing behavior.

    does anyone else feel this way? I felt compelled to post this because I've observed a lot of NFPs who can be VERY closed minded even if they lack the self awareness to see it

    PS: this could also have something to do with having 1w9 as my gut fix.
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    I can kind of... simulate... open-mindedness. I can very easily see another person's perspective, but if it conflicts with a value there's no way I'm truly going to be open to it.

    So I guess if I have no deeply held value on something I can be open minded, but if I do... Well, then I can see their perspective, but I'm just wasting time.

    Paraphrasing something I said before, since I can't find it to quote... "I can see things from your perspective; your perspective is just wrong." That kind of sums it up.

    Edit: For the record, I try not to be that way when I can help it, but when I take a stance on an issue, that's usually how I end up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    I can kind of... simulate... open-mindedness. I can very easily see another person's perspective, but if it conflicts with a value there's no way I'm truly going to be open to it.
    So I guess if I have no deeply held value on something I can be open minded, but if I do... Well, then I can see their perspective, but I'm just wasting time.
    Paraphrasing something I said before, since I can't find it to quote... "I can see things from your perspective; your perspective is just wrong." That kind of sums it up.
    Edit: For the record, I try not to be that way when I can help it, but when I take a stance on an issue, that's usually how I end up.
    that's a brilliant way of putting it. I can easily see the logical reasons why someone would hold an opposing view, but at the end of the day, if it goes against my beliefs...fuck the evidence
    I've gotten a little better about this, to the point where I can at least see someone else's view as valid, but I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually changed my deepest convictions.
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    Yeah, I can confirm that it's very common among NFPs I've seen, including my ex-girlfriend, who is an INFP.

    I still love you all though!

    As for myself, I do have plenty of strong positions on things, but if I see enough legitimate evidence to the contrary, I have no problem with adjusting what I think.

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    No. That Fi-Si really anchors you in. My friends and family know me as impossible to move once settled on a subject or a thing. My mother was an INFP and she had two modes - wanting something and then having something. She quit drugs and cigarettes cold turkey because of this aspect of her psyche. Then again, it also leads to addictions.
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    I used to think I was open minded but for the last few years I have been aware and relatively content that I am not. The NFP moral system is a dictatorship and the the values which Fi has approved of are essentially "God." If the Fi approves of and sees value in new learning, new ideas and finding out why what is valued may not be the best way then the NFP can become open minded but this lasts until the Fi starts to really value certain ideas which the new insight has brought. Once it does the door to open-mindedness closes. I've been trying to master a way to re-open the door after a relatively short period of it being closed, it's not always easy. Come save me Ne!

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    I think I am much more harsh on myself (and my close friends, family, and significant other, by extension) than with others. Generally, if others want to live by their own moral codes, as long as they're not clearly causing harm, I am content watching them lead their lives as they please at a distance. But when it comes to myself and my close associates, I am much more intolerant of behavior that I find not-quite-right.

    And yes, I can get incredibly stubborn if I think someone's behavior is clearly causing harm.

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    I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually changed my deepest convictions.
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    My experience with NFP types has been that they are pretty easy to bring around to my point of view. Although I'm pretty sure my sister is ENFP, so maybe I just subconsciously learned how to manipulate that mindset.

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    I think I'm open-minded externally and close-minded internally.

    In other words, I can tolerate a lot of what other people do, even if I won't think of behaving that way myself. "Live and let live" and all that. Internally however, I feel that it's hard for people to change my mind when I have it set on something. Convincing me to change an internal 'value' would be like trying to drag a stubborn mule

    On the other hand, I tend to be conservative when it comes to trying new things. I enjoy the familiar and routine a lot, so getting me to change those things can be tough too. Oh, I can go along with a group of friends and do fun things, but really that's kind of like simulating open-mindedness as @Tyrinth calls it
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    I don't consider myself that open-minded but I also try to accept/understand people even if I disagree with them. basically I keep my judgements to myself, I don't try to change people and I'd prefer the same courtesy.

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