@Southern Kross, in the interest of clarity, I forgot to say that the Israeli argument as stated in your post makes perfect sense to me. It's the part I added and asked about that has been the point of contention, in my view (that since I'm Israeli and a soldier, I am also as bad as the West Bank soldiers). Perhaps what I see in the posts, you don't see, which is fine. In that case, what would be appreciated is the acknowledgement that we aren't seeing the same things, possibly trying to work out where the problem is, and that both sides are sincerely trying and not just being difficult to be difficult. If the same stuff keeps getting repeated over and over, by different people, that says that there is a message there that is being missed and it should be taken seriously and not dismissed. This applies to honest efforts, because I realize that there are people who just like to jerk chains.
By the way, it took me this long to get to this point, too. Some of this has been rolling around in my head, but I didn't know how to express it or what point I was trying to make until now.
@Mane, I don't have time to delve into your post right now, but I'm not ignoring it.