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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    Yes. This is in the INFJ Manual, I believe right up front in Chapter 1. We all do this and think it's fine.

    Next?

    (This rephrasing technique you've devised is so effective! We're moving right along now!)
    I get that you've been really hurt in this thread, but I'm really trying here. I feel like INFJs are just as equal and good as NFPs. I also acknowledge that I am really flawed and do a lot of stupid things that hurt others.

    Sorry that I did a poor job phrasing it, but it's a genuine impression and a genuine question.

    If you feel like I'm wrong about it, then TELL ME WHY.

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    Wow.
    Ok. I thought you were joking. My apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    Wow.
    Ok. I thought you were joking. My apologies.
    Yeah, I wasn't. Forget it though, I removed everything I've written to what extent I could. If that's how honest attempts to communicate are going to be treated, then I don't see any point. I went from really being hopeful and interested to just really being hurt and disappointed.

    Thanks cascade for the conversation, I appreciate what you've said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post

    NFJs sometimes seem to say things to encourage action out of others, but what they say may be a specific distortion of information aimed with getting the other person to fulfill what the INFJ wants, as opposed to what the other person may want if they knew more information.

    It's just really confusing to me that NFJs are concerned with consequence in external reality, but it also seems like NFJs feel like it's okay to manipulate others in external reality. So it's like external reality is what counts, but then it's okay to trick people into messing up, and then hold that against them?
    What you're describing is an unhealthy behavior that may be associated with an unhealthy person. I've observed this behavior in SFJs, as well. Omission of information to get someone else to do what they want. Omission of information to sabotage something & create more conflict. Some people just thrive on turmoil. The degree of their own awareness of these things is going to vary from person to person. Sometimes the individual may assume by default that it's mutually understood & then consciously overlooked by the other person- leading to feelings of outrage or disappointment on their part- when things don't unfold as expected, based on their perception of the situation's dynamics. Sometimes the individual may knowingly withhold certain data in hopes of controlling the outcome, or merely to- as I said above- consciously or unconsciously thrive on the turmoil/play mindgames, because they are disturbed, to some degree.


    That said, I don't think this dynamic is necessarily limited to FJ types, but perhaps more commonly noticed. Any unhealthy person may take potentially damaging measures to try to control their own environment- which can unfortunately include those around them- in a misguided attempt to psychologically "survive."

    I think the possibility of misunderstandings can arise, as well, under similar circumstances, with healthier people The individual may hold back certain things by nature, for privacy reasons, or simply think it's innocuous & of little consequence, with regard to other parties. I've seen this in NJ's, frequently, and it can easily be mistaken for some kind of conscious [and even malevolent] deception.
    03/23 06:06:58 EcK: lex
    03/23 06:06:59 EcK: lex
    03/23 06:21:34 Nancynobullets: LEXXX *sacrifices a first born*
    03/23 06:21:53 Nancynobullets: We summon yooouuu
    03/23 06:29:07 Lexicon: I was sleeping!



    04/25 04:20:35 Patches: Don't listen to lex. She wants to birth a litter of kittens. She doesnt get to decide whats creepy

    02/16 23:49:38 ygolo: Lex is afk
    02/16 23:49:45 Cimarron: she's doing drugs with Jack

    03/05 19:27:41 Time: You can't make chat morbid. Lex does it naturally.

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    This thread now tops the ENFP-INTJ thread for most inspirational threads to commit suicide to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    This thread now tops the ENFP-INTJ thread for most inspirational threads to commit suicide to.


    03/23 06:06:58 EcK: lex
    03/23 06:06:59 EcK: lex
    03/23 06:21:34 Nancynobullets: LEXXX *sacrifices a first born*
    03/23 06:21:53 Nancynobullets: We summon yooouuu
    03/23 06:29:07 Lexicon: I was sleeping!



    04/25 04:20:35 Patches: Don't listen to lex. She wants to birth a litter of kittens. She doesnt get to decide whats creepy

    02/16 23:49:38 ygolo: Lex is afk
    02/16 23:49:45 Cimarron: she's doing drugs with Jack

    03/05 19:27:41 Time: You can't make chat morbid. Lex does it naturally.

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    How to Get an INFJ 4 To Finally Take The Rope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    This thread now tops the ENFP-INTJ thread for most inspirational threads to commit suicide to.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U

    This pretty much expresses the mood of the thread for me at this point.

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