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    upset an infp and he will go inside his head feeling miserable, upset an infj and you get yelled at

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I'm gonna have to disagree with this assessment. I am INFP and one of the most passionate, spunky people I know. INFJs care about and need people more than INFPs do. they also tend to be much more merciful than we are. we are 99% of the time merciful too, but we have limits of what is forgivable, if it comes down to it and your true colors are evil, we will kill you if we need to (and sometimes if we don't need to). for instance, let's say one came across a pedophile being caught in the act, many INFPs (self included) would straight up kill his ass right there. if anything, I think the idea of poetic justice applies more to us (although it certainly might for you as well, I would have to be an INFJ to know for sure). INFJs seem more like they would want to see him severely punished, but rehabilitated. FJs in general really just want the world to be this one big happy family where everyone loves and helps each other (but that's not to say that INFJs are well aware of the treachery man is capable of, they perhaps know this better than we INFPs do) I mean don't get me wrong, 90% of the time, we are docile, gentle and laid back (even somewhat silly) as you said, but when out values are violated, we can turn into a completely different person. this is personified in many stories where the hero will actually transform into a more powerful, ruthless form when greatly angered or is protecting someone.
    PS: one of the things I really like about you guys (INFJs) is that INFJs pretty much seem to care about everyone immediately. as an INFP, I genuinely don't care about anyone until I form a sort of bond with them. if most of the people I knew died, I would be almost completely apathetic. I mean, I would show respect and comfort those who took it hard, but I wouldn't feel much if any emotion myself. however, if it was someone I was really close to, this would be a different story. still, I feel like I should care more about people than I do, but the emotions often are just not there.
    Well said.

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    I had an INFJ friend for a while, and while our interests were almost parrallel, our approaches were adjacent and even oppositional toward one another.

    For one thing, I look at life through a very subjective lense in terms of my own feelings. I also feel that my values should be congruent with one another, and that they should coincide with a single objective reality. This sometimes makes it difficult when processing information, because I'm always trying to conflate different ideas that are being tossed around in the external world until they match what is the truth. My truth. I am also extremely perfectionistic about my values, and I might internalize them for lengths of time that would be agonizing for most people, like a book that's never really finished because it can always be built upon and refined.

    On the other hand, my INFJ friend seemed to look at feelings from a more global perspective, while her ideas were extremely subjective and lacking in peripherals. She did not try to conflate different ideas together, but would rather tend to different perspectives and interpretations, all of which were equally true unless they were internally inconsistent. She also seemed to be more philisophical and less idealstic than I was. Instead of trying to rearrange or change reality, she would simply learn about it from different angles and teach what she had learned to others. In fact, I think other people's interpretations were crucial to her because it was her primary mode of navigating life and making choices. She also processed information in a more linear way, synthesizing her arguments as though they were logical platforms that didn't have any baring on her own personal values.

    Let me try to give an example. Let's say I say it's immoral to eat apples. To me, this means that eating apples is something I should never do because it most likely yields a negative outcome.

    If she were to say it's immoral to eat apples, then she would want whoever she's talking with at the time to not eat apples. I'm guessing this because she was more attentive to other people's individual well beings, while discounting her own.

    This difference sometimes made it difficult to understand her because pointing out hypocrisy is something that is almost tantamount to disproving someone's argument in my opinion.

    It also seems as the though INFJ did not need "proof" for her beliefs. Almost as if static facts or empirical evidence were meaningless because they were always subject to change. Consequentially, our exchanges probably left each other feeling as though the other was incompetent or crudely misguided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    my INFJ friend seemed to look at feelings from a more global perspective, while her ideas were extremely subjective and lacking in peripherals. She did not try to conflate different ideas together, but would rather tend to different perspectives and interpretations, all of which were equally true [unless they were] even while being internally inconsistent.

    She also seemed to be more philisophical and less idealstic than I was. Instead of trying to rearrange or change reality, she would simply learn about it from different angles and teach what she had learned to others. In fact, I think other people's interpretations were crucial to her because it was her primary mode of navigating life and making choices. She also processed information in a more linear way, synthesizing her arguments as though they were logical platforms that didn't have any baring on her own personal values.

    It also seems as the though INFJ did not need "proof" for her beliefs. Almost as if static facts or empirical evidence were meaningless because they were always subject to change.
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    OK, my wife is an INFJ, and my niece (age 16 3/4) is an INFP.
    I know both very well, and will offer my commentary as to your inquiries.

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    The INFP and INFJ can a number of things in common, but what are the most telling differences between the two types?
    In general, INFP is more "laid back" than INFJ.

    From what I can tell, INFJ is more "formal" in dress/appearance, and INFP is more "casual."

    Beside these two items I have seen as obvious differences, I would have to say that stark differences are going to exist more clearly when comparing two individuals...

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    How are they most different socially?
    INFJ seems better at engaging in socialization with strangers, INFP seems better at managing on-going (established) social relations.

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    How are they most different intellectually?
    INFJ = Good at science, writing, math to a degree, and physical fitness.

    INFP = Great at art, music, writing, social studies, history, physical fitness is ancillary...unless we are talking about Biaxident - the biggest INFP in the WORLD!

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    How are they most different emotionally?
    Both very sweet.
    Both prone to melancholia.

    INFJ more prone to "shutting down" or "ghosting" (being in the same room, but not "present."), whereas INFP more prone to "letting it all hang out."

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    How would you contrast the way the INFJ vs. the INFP approaches information and learning?
    INFJ is more focused and directed.

    INFP is more free-form, but still pursues the same level of mastery, albeit in a differnet way, more sporadic.

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Which type is more stand-offish?
    INFJ is more stand-offish when they do not "feel comfortable" or when they have a "conflict" with the emotional energy being exuded from a given person at a given time.

    My wife is an open book; if she does not like you, you will know it.

    My niece is more passive; if she does not like you, she will engage with you to the minimum degree possible, and then avoid you.

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Which type connects more quickly with friends?
    INFP is more quick to connect with established friends.

    INFJ's connections with established friends are deep but seem to connect less frequently.

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Which type is more reclusive?
    INFP seems to be.

    INFJ seems to engage in basic socialization a bit more, especially if it is part of participating in some activity that they "identify with."

    INFP's don't seem to need to "identify" with things a whole lot.

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Which type shows more emotion, which one recluses when processing emotion?
    INFP shows emotion more frequently.

    INFJ shows more emotion when it is expressed.

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    From my understanding...

    INFJ is continuously intuiting the future based upon the vision they have in mind, and is often motivated to interact with others based upon said vision, causing them to occasionally resort to perfectionism and place people on a higher pedestal than they should. INFP often feels lost and is engaged on a continuous quest for self-identity, constantly introspecting on the person they are and obtaining ideas externally to filter into their minds and further help them craft their sense of self.

    INFJ is often reactive when it comes to conflict, striving to discuss matters openly and find a solution to the dilemma by frequent discussion over the misunderstanding, which often appears pushy and even overwhelming to others. INFP takes everything personally and despite their laidback nature, can subconsciously interpret any misuse of word as an attack on their character, causing them to become easily offended and perhaps even defensive when interpreting a subtle comment as incongruent with their value system.

    INFJ will try to talk their emotions out with the INFP and overwhelmingly try to offer objective advice they feel will improve the INFPs emotional state and future perception of the world, while the INFP will only further retreat into their shell and passive-aggressively claim they "don't want to talk about it", seeking solitude and space to sort through their feelings and come to their own conclusion of the situation.

    INFJ is constantly seeking validation for their feelings, yet rarely questions their intuitive hunches, whereas INFP trusts their heart and intrapersonal values above all else, yet constantly seek new ideas externally to validate that their values are moral and a true reflection of self.

    INFJ strives to help and enlighten society too much, at the expense of catering to their own needs and realizing that sometimes, they simply need to relax and let people be, while INFP realizes that everybody is an individual who is entitled to feeling their own emotions and resolving their own experiences without another's assistance, yet may be accused of being too detached and uninvolved by a reactive person who is seeking to resolve things openly.

    INFJ will possibly accuse the INFP of being too withdrawn and careless during an argument, while INFP will become irritated by INFJs pushiness and inability to respect their personal space and boundaries.

    INFJ will help others discover who they are and what they need while counseling them through their emotions, while INFP will discover their own sense of identity on their lonesome and become defensive if someone tries to impose a value or mode of acting/ behaving they don't agree with.

    INFJ will listen to your story, intuitively analyze the details, and actively offer the advice that they believe will resolve your dilemma, while INFP will rub your shoulder while wiping away your tears, and offer their condolences while leaving you alone in the self-healing process, while silently empathizing with the way you must feel once the situations triggers the memory of a past experience that incited a similar reaction in them.

    INFJs desire to know why the world is as it is and actively interacts with others through their intuitive perspective on what the world really is, slowly trying to decipher the one truth that will explain the reasoning behind society's actions, whereas INFPs wish to discover who they are and interact with their environment to gain ideas that will better allow them to reach self-actualization and establish this firm sense of self.

    INFJs get lost in their daydreams and reflections, which occasionally causes them to become detached from reality and what's concrete, while INFP often dwells within deep, overwhelming emotions, which at worst, can hinder their ability to view the world objectively and react logically to situations.

    INFJs are intuitive and feel as if they know all the answers explaining reality, only to discover they were wrong through extensive social interaction after being exposed to differing viewpoints, whereas INFPs often ask too many questions and seek too many explanations in search of who they are, without realizing that the answer lies in themselves.

    INFJs will visit the Great Wall of China, and silently deliberate and interpret the symbolic meaning behind creating and establishing such a great world wonder to better understand the culture of the past, while INFPs will climb towards the top of it, feel a sense of liberation when feeling the wind drifting through their fingers, feeling a sense of self-growth when discovering the sense of inner strength and adventurousness they may have not been aware of, motivating them to further their journey of self-discovery when reflecting on the serenity they'd felt at that point.

    INFJ solves their inner conflict by assessing things analytically via Ti to achieve the logical truth behind what it was that triggered this situation to begin with, occasionally to the extent of giving themselves a headache by overthinking, whereas INFP will retreat into a silent corner and get lost in a memory of a past experience that brought about similar emotional discomfort to them, using their newly obtained ideas obtained from the external world to compare to the way they'd reacted previously, as they search to discover a pattern in their behavior that will allow them to discover what they've been doing wrong all this time and try to rethink an inner value that may be causing them to react oversensitively toward situations.

    INFJs seek to enlighten humanity through their intuitive reasoning, while INFPs seek to enlighten themselves through self-reflection and discovery.

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    If you are sure about the INF and the following statements generally apply to you:

    The following statements generally apply to me:

    - I like to have things decided.
    - I appear to be task oriented.
    - I like to make lists of things to do.
    - I like to get my work done before playing.
    - I plan work to avoid rushing just before a deadline.
    - Sometimes I focus so much on the goal that I miss new information.

    You are an INFJ.

    If you are certain about the INF and the following statements generally apply to you:

    - I like to stay open to respond to whatever happens.
    - I appear to be loose and casual. I like to keep plans to a minimum.
    - I like to approach work as play or mix work and play.
    - I work in bursts of energy.
    - I am stimulated by an approaching deadline.
    - Sometimes I stay open to new information so long I miss making decisions when they are needed.

    You are an INFP.

    The key is to pick the one that fits BEST and is more NATURAL, not to nitpick about certain scenarios in which you do one or the other. Then it really is that simple.

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    I know I'm INFJ, yet only some of the above INFJ list in the last post applies to me. I do like having things decided, but I dislike the decision-making process. The liking to have things decided is partly because I dislike surprises. I like knowing what to expect so that I can respond appropriately. I am a list maker (although I often don't get the things on the list done - but it does nail them down so I don't feel I am losing thoughts as they occur or missing taking something into account). I'm always rushing to meet deadlines and often only get going when the pressure is on. I appear quite messy, even if I have my own organizational system. The more emotionally involved I am in a project, the harder I find it to ever quit taking in new information and reorganizing. Therefore, most of my nearest and dearest goals remain unaddressed. I often play before working, usually in an attempt to put off facing things that I am unsure of how to address (decision-making or how to go at a task that I am unsure of).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    I know I'm INFJ, yet only some of the above INFJ list in the last post applies to me. I do like having things decided, but I dislike the decision-making process. The liking to have things decided is partly because I dislike surprises. I like knowing what to expect so that I can respond appropriately. I am a list maker (although I often don't get the things on the list done - but it does nail them down so I don't feel I am losing thoughts as they occur or missing taking something into account). I'm always rushing to meet deadlines and often only get going when the pressure is on. I appear quite messy, even if I have my own organizational system. The more emotionally involved I am in a project, the harder I find it to ever quit taking in new information and reorganizing. Therefore, most of my nearest and dearest goals remain unaddressed. I often play before working, usually in an attempt to put off facing things that I am unsure of how to address (decision-making or how to go at a task that I am unsure of).
    This is true of me as well; it's good to know. I had been thinking my J preference was not strong, and it might not be, but maybe these things being true doesn't have to mean that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    I know I'm INFJ, yet only some of the above INFJ list in the last post applies to me. I do like having things decided, but I dislike the decision-making process. The liking to have things decided is partly because I dislike surprises. I like knowing what to expect so that I can respond appropriately. I am a list maker (although I often don't get the things on the list done - but it does nail them down so I don't feel I am losing thoughts as they occur or missing taking something into account). I'm always rushing to meet deadlines and often only get going when the pressure is on. I appear quite messy, even if I have my own organizational system. The more emotionally involved I am in a project, the harder I find it to ever quit taking in new information and reorganizing. Therefore, most of my nearest and dearest goals remain unaddressed. I often play before working, usually in an attempt to put off facing things that I am unsure of how to address (decision-making or how to go at a task that I am unsure of).
    This is true of me as well; it's good to know. I had been thinking my J preference was not strong, and it might not be, but maybe these things being true doesn't have to mean that.

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