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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    The act is unhealthy.. but why does it matter so much to you to label it good or bad? What metric do you intend to use it for? To decide how you feel about the person afterwards? To decide if he did a bad thing? The sickness is bad, not the person.
    You're totally missing the point. This is a matter of morals, an intellectual discussion. Does that not have merit in and of itself? Damned I'm starting to get the impression that I'm not a feeler after all this. The only decent responses I see are from the thinkers.

    Is it to discourage people from committing suicide? They already know there is something very wrong and it overrides their will to live, what does it matter if you say it's bad?
    Woman, I can't tell this person who is dead that they are bad. I don't judge people as good or bad. It's so incredibly simplistic that it disgusts me to think like this. This is about the act of suicide, and if it's okay or not. I'm interested to see how people feel about the issue. If they feel it's selfish, or selfless. If they think it's a personal decision that should be respected, or if it disgusts the person and they think it's shameful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unityemissions View Post
    You're totally missing the point. This is a matter of morals, an intellectual discussion. Does that not have merit in and of itself? Damned I'm starting to get the impression that I'm not a feeler after all this. The only decent responses I see are from the thinkers.



    Woman, I can't tell this person who is dead that they are bad. I don't judge people as good or bad. It's so incredibly simplistic that it disgusts me to think like this. This is about the act of suicide, and if it's okay or not. I'm interested to see how people feel about the issue. If they feel it's selfish, or selfless. If they think it's a personal decision that should be respected, or if it disgusts the person and they think it's shameful.
    This thread is going places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unityemissions View Post
    @The Great One

    Thank you for the first decent reply in the thread, IMO.

    I think people should realize that some people have incredibly horrible situations, like the one you described #2. The people who are saying, "it's stupid" are simply naive or idiotic, IMO.

    I also think the first situation may be reason enough for some who are so unstable/insane that they truly won't get through the breakup. Say an uber dork that never gets laid, until he does, but she leaves him and he's left with this lingering notion that he'll never get laid and be loved again. It's too much to bare, so he does the deed.
    Well thank you for the positive feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unityemissions View Post
    You're totally missing the point. This is a matter of morals, an intellectual discussion. Does that not have merit in and of itself? Damned I'm starting to get the impression that I'm not a feeler after all this. The only decent responses I see are from the thinkers.



    I can't tell this person who is dead that they are bad. I don't judge people as good or bad. It's so incredibly simplistic that it disgusts me to think like this. This is about the act of suicide, and if it's okay or not. I'm interested to see how people feel about the issue. If they feel it's selfish, or selfless. If they think it's a personal decision that should be respected, or if it disgusts the person and they think it's shameful.

    Well, it's just as simplistic to ask people to label the act as good or bad because the answer is known. The answer is simple.. people killing themselves is bad. Suicide is cutting a life short. There are situations where people feel compelled to do unfortunate things. The situations themselves are the things to be addressed and discussed.

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    @Qlip

    I'm doing my best to keep cool, and digest what you wrote. I'm now pretty damned sure I'm not a dominant Fi, or even aux...I can't find myself looking at situations as "good" or "bad" ...at all. I see too many things combining to create reality and each act within it. Good/Bad seems to be...incredibly limiting. That's just me, though. You seem to do well within this system. I guess it provides shortcuts for you to maneuver through life. Instead of trying to deeply understand something, it's just a black and white "good" or "bad". Gotcha.

    Now I'm back to the drawing board on what the hell my type is.

    Guess I'll go to a more intellectual board and ask this question. Thanks anyways!

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    Suicide is permanent solution to a temporary problem. The issue changes when your problems are permanent.

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    06/13 10:51:12 shortnsweet: go do your things and my things too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    (Idly walks around in circles instead)
    *follows you in an non-intellectual manner*

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    Quote Originally Posted by unityemissions View Post
    @Qlip

    I'm doing my best to keep cool, and digest what you wrote. I'm now pretty damned sure I'm not a dominant Fi, or even aux...I can't find myself looking at situations as "good" or "bad" ...at all. I see too many things combining to create reality and each act within it. Good/Bad seems to be...incredibly limiting. That's just me, though. You seem to do well within this system. I guess it provides shortcuts for you to maneuver through life. Instead of trying to deeply understand something, it's just a black and white "good" or "bad". Gotcha.

    Now I'm back to the drawing board on what the hell my type is.

    Guess I'll go to a more intellectual board and ask this question. Thanks anyways!
    I agree with you, I sensed no Fi. If I had to guess, you're initial response to me was Ti, and there's a lot of Fe from where you're coming from. I'd go with INTP or ENTP for you.

    I don't think you begin to understand where I'm coming from. When I say good and bad, there is a certain perspective involved, in this case it's from the individual comitting suicide.. it is anything but black and white. There is also good and bad from a societal point of view, and good and bad for the environment.

    But, from within the framework where only an individual can choose to continue living, only the individual perception really matters to me. From the individual's point of view, the very deepest impulse to live has been dampened. An act of suicide is the ultimate act of helplessness. This is why situation matters so much, because the person is subject to the situation out of their control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    *follows you in an non-intellectual manner*
    (turns around to go counterclockwise and bumps into Saturned) You didn't follow the rules!
    06/13 10:51:03 five sounds: you!!!
    06/13 10:51:08 shortnsweet: no you!!
    06/13 10:51:12 shortnsweet: go do your things and my things too!
    06/13 10:51:23 five sounds: oh hell naw
    06/13 10:51:55 shortnsweet: !!!!
    06/13 10:51:57 shortnsweet: (cries)
    06/13 10:52:19 RiftsWRX: You two are like furbies stuck in a shoe box

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