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    Default Do NFs care about anything outside of ethics/emotions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen
    Kiddo, if you are NF, do you care about anything outside of ethics/emotion?
    So NFs, do you care about anything outside of ethics/emotions?

    I can't think of anything offhand. I don't even really care about logic, but maybe that is just me.
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    Is this a serious thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    So NFs, do you care about anything outside of ethics/emotions?

    I can't think of anything offhand. I don't even really care about logic, but maybe that is just me.
    Sure you do.

    Logic is just a mechanical description of pattern. Emotions contain logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dana View Post
    Is this a serious thread?
    It was meant to be, but I'm tired, so maybe it isn't.

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    Sure you do.

    Logic is just a mechanical description of pattern. Emotions contain logic.
    Just because I use it doesn't mean I have to care about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Just because I use it doesn't mean I have to care about it.
    Yet, you care about emotion.

    D'you see the discrepancy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    So NFs, do you care about anything outside of ethics/emotions?

    I can't think of anything offhand. I don't even really care about logic, but maybe that is just me.
    Definitely. I care about accuracy, clarity, proper procedure, and insight as well. The reason I usually value them is because I feel that they create a positive environment that contributes to the welfare of people as a whole. I definitely value humanity in general such that I want to ensure their future existence and quality of life as well as possible. Logic seems to me to be a valuable resource for that, not to mention something with which I can entertain myself when I'm bored and alone.

    I think that becoming more intelligent brings us upward and out of more primative/animal-like and cyclical patterns of thought, allowing us to progress and truly become a better kind of being.

    Unlike some NT's, I don't believe that all emotions are primative, but rather that some are useless, harmful relics that drag us down, and that the rest are important to who we are as human beings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Yet, you care about emotion.

    D'you see the discrepancy?
    Are you saying that emotions can't exist without logic? Because maybe logic isn't always a component in emotions. Maybe I don't have to care whether my emotions are logical or not.

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    Definitely. I care about accuracy, clarity, proper procedure, and insight as well.
    Or maybe you value those things because you would be embarrassed if you messed up or made a mistake. Or maybe it is because you want to feel respected.

    I definitely value humanity in general such that I want to ensure their future existence and quality of life as well as possible.
    Or maybe you are just afraid of being left all alone in the world.

    Logic seems to me to be a valuable resource for that, not to mention something with which I can entertain myself when I'm bored and alone.
    Bored? Sounds like an emotion to me.

    I think that becoming more intelligent brings us upward and out of more animal-like and cyclical patterns of thought, allowing us to progress and truly become a better kind of being.
    Why would you want to be a better kind of being?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Are you saying that emotions can't exist without logic? Because maybe logic isn't always a component in emotions. Maybe I don't have to care whether my emotions are logical or not.


    Logic as a description of pattern.

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    I don't think you'll be getting anywhere with a question like this, especially given that you asked it's polar opposite in the NT section as well.

    I am unable to answer your question concisely because I'm pretty much unsure about my hierarchy of values, that would also contain how much I care about ethics and emotions -- I find it important that people treat each other with decency and a degree of kindness, and I try to reflect this in my own interactions, but that to me isn't very indicative of just "how much" I care about it. Because, I also care for such conceptions as logical decision making, problem solving, impartiality and non-judgment when situations call for the most suitable of them.
    Not really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Are you saying that emotions can't exist without logic? Because maybe logic isn't always a component in emotions. Maybe I don't have to care whether my emotions are logical or not.
    Well, I think that it should be, because it's a beneficial value to have. Why would you want to value something harmful?
    Or maybe you value those things because you would be embarrassed if you messed up or made a mistake. Or maybe it is because you want to feel respected.

    Or maybe you are just afraid of being left all alone in the world.



    Bored? Sounds like an emotion to me.



    Why would you want to be a better kind of being?
    Of course I have emotional/ethical motivations for valuing logic. I never said I didn't. But that doesn't mean it's not something I pay attention to or concern myself with. I see logic as being an important part of my emotional/ethical systems. Not the only part, but it is very close to being the basis of parts of it. I definitely admit to liking and being comfortable with order, and the tendency of logical systems to have order is the main reason I spend so much time on understanding them, personally. It makes the world seem less chaotic, and I can't stand things that are too chaotic because they make me feel tense and unable to relax.

    In my opinion, it is possible to value one idea within the other.

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