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    I'm just listening and I can't make sense of it. I continuously have to question my memory because I have no idea what's going on. I hear people reminiscing and I can never relate, even if I was there, so I've stopped trying. I've been so sure that there's something wrong with me because I can't reminisce and remember like other people do. There was stuff that happened before, but I pillage the past for all the information it's worth and leave it, to never return.
    I guess that is one fundamental difference between sensing and intuition. Don't be afraid of it, I myself have exactly the same problem.

    I have had for 4 years the relationship of my life, with a beautiful woman, I experienced so much with and I shared so much with.

    I was asked some time ago, by my new fience, I have now 2 years after my relationship, what it was like back then.

    Even if I try I cant remember. If I think of images, I can remember things I have seen all day that much often that they rae burned into the brain. But even them I can only describe vaguely. If someone asks me to describe my ex girlfriend, I can pinpoint out things like brown hair and brown eyes and a general shape of her face, but I guess it would be a completly wrong phantom image.

    I pointed out one special example concerning the pasts. All unspecial examples concerning the past, I remember shit. I even can not remember, what I did last friday.

    But I do remember that Planck constant is 6.582 * 10^-16 eV*s

    In my opinion, all mankind has to understand the fundamental thing that there are people who do those things and that there are people who do that things.

    The important facts are that no man alone can be equal to another. So when there are differences you have with yourself, you cant expect to find in others the truth you seek, because they see things again different. You just can build a sum of a view on one topic and then decide on the best, the one you like most or the one that best suites you.

    And the other thing is, nobody is perfect. It is the team, that consists of the one who has the idea, the one who builds the machine and the one who does nothing, sitting in the corner, bearing responsibility .
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    It has suddenly come to my attention that all the people I'm in daily contact with are Fi (with the exception of the NTP horde who are constant yet irregular invaders at Casa del Piranha, and also my INFJ dad). I'm the lone Fe amongst my best friends.

    O.o Go.... for help...
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    This is what I get so far:

    Fe says: "Do it my way and there will be no trouble, what's wrong with you? Why won't you just do it my way? You don't do your hello and greeting in just the right way? Well then it will never be good enough. You need to spend more time trying to give me what I want and no it cannot be faked, it has to be done in just the right tone and you better be consistent and always do it. You don't get no special treatment, I deserve to get everything my way each and every time, even from you!

    You expect to ignore me and get away with it? What's that? You say you didn't ignore me that you said hello? Well, look here missy it wasn't delivered with just the right tone and context and with the inflextion I expected so it doesn't count! Give me what I expect or I will toss your sincere efforts on to the trash heap of all the others who don't bow and scrape to my exact specifications.

    So stop your useless venting and do something practical, like play the game my way and meet me 100 percent over at my side."
    And no, for the countless time, I am not talking about totally ignoring people...

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    I quoted you on that one in a chat @haphazard

    Find it just good ! Hope you don't mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I quoted you on that one in a chat @haphazard

    Find it just good ! Hope you don't mind
    Wait.

    What did you do?
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    The thread's title is confusing. Or should I say, misleading.
    Good thing the subsection helps alleviate it somewhat. ;)
    Not really.

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    I'll have to say in my teens and twenties I thought the Fe stuff was crap -- a bunch of silly impositions, unfair expectations, control mechanisms, just... trite and pointless.

    But that attitude did not pay off for me, nor do I think it was completely right. It's definitely one perspective on it, but there are different ways to view the Fe approach.

    If you don't grease the wheels / put in your time, you WILL suffer. You can't get by being a hermit nowadays, not without a lot of sacrifice and limitations on yourself. You do need the support of others in a specialized society in order to achieve the things you'd like and to have the venues to contribute to others, to find new work, etc. When you don't put in the time and effort, you limit yourself.

    I think that a lot of the bad feelings are attributing more to the Fe style method of communication than actually is warranted or appropriate. If you mistake Fe style behavior for always been "deep and intimate and meaningful," then it will seem shallow to you. But it's not. It does the job it was intended to do. Some people give it a bad name because they go to the other extreme and just use it to manipulate -- making it far more shallow than it is supposed to be.

    It's just another form of communication, except you are less imparting pure information and more informing others of your intentions and motivations and role in the community.

    If you keep it on that level, then you should be able to use it appropriately.
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    I'm going to go ahead and say that I don't like to be forced.

    If given the choice, I may take the high road, but if I'm dragged to the high road, my first inclination is to rebel. Maybe it's personal experience but socially, I've mostly been forced. If I'm thrown into a new place on my own, I usually make new friends quite easily and quickly -- but if I'm there and someone else is around insisting that I meet new people, nothing happens -- because I'm being forced.

    The following of social rules and impositions is force. The side of Fe that truly cares and tries to do what's best for me is something I can appreciate, but the force I can't stand. If you let me go, I may follow. I may not, but if this 'Fe' communication is really so important, I trust that I'll be able to figure it out eventually. But in the meantime, any social push will merit an equal and opposite reaction. So the best advice for now would be to stop pushing me so hard.
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    Haphazard is this thread about you communicating with FJs because that seems to be what it keeps returning to.

    If it's just about your miscommunications after it's been admitted several times that you are the one with the low tolerance for pain I really can't take you too seriously.

    It seems to me like you're complaining about the same thing over and over again after several attempts have been made to explain things to you. Tell the FJs in your life to back the fuck off and get on with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    It seems to me like you're complaining about the same thing over and over again after several attempts have been made to explain things to you. Tell the FJs in your life to back the fuck off and get on with it.
    Maybe I'll try that. Doesn't sound like a bad idea at all.
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