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    I find that all of my dreams have some sort of meaning to them. I also have noticed that it's T's who tend to mostly characterize dreams as absolute meaningless nonsense.

    You can argue that because I lead with Ne that I can find patterns in anything, meaningless or not. But there is much more to it than that. I am very in tune with my internal map of symbols, and intuiting meaning from my dreams seems nearly as direct as listening to myself think. They help me solve problems and get the lowdown on what's going on in my depths.

    When I have dreams in an odd mental state, like when fevered, my dreams lack that versimilitude that normal dreaming has. It's not that the imagery is too bizarre to relate to, it just doesn't ring as connected to anything. And when I have imagery appear to me in a hypnagogic state, that reads to me as utter nonsense, with very little meaningful connection to my subconscious at all. Occasionally I have dreams that seems to invade my consciousness from an external source.

    What kind of relationships do you NFs have with your dreams?

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    i may as well never wake up, my dreams are so fantastic.

    i often resent waking from them, even the bizarre, Dali-esque ones...they always teach me something or give me curious things to ponder throughout the day. i also have serial adventures in my dreams. epiphanies. questions posed. it can emulate artistic inspiration. also, they help me solve business or personal problems.

    i find dream interpretation to be very valuable, and try to scribble thoughts down when i wake from a particularly exciting dream. one of the things i like most about relationships is mutual dream interpretation: seeing how our dreams unfold, learning from joint analysis with a trusted partner...

    and when my dreams are horrible they are Kubrick Lynch Hitchcock Arrested Development stylee.
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    im not an NF, but ill comment anyways. like jung said, dreams offer an comment to your conscious attitude. many times dreams dont feel important enough to analyze, and often i dont remember enough about them to analyze them properly anyways. but when the dream feels to have a special importance, i try to analyze it as much as i possibly can(and write it down on my phone, so that i dont forget it) and usually find the thing that the dream wanted to comment on and often find it helpful.
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    I barely dream / don't remember my dreams usually at all. It is very rare that I remember a dream. I also never really tried hard to analyze one.

    Damn, not even my dream life sounds interesting!

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    You sure its a lot T's or just the ones who have that skeptical view?

    I don't see why people find it as meaningless, its a very real experience which has been the subject of interpretation which goes pretty far back into history. If I have recurring dreams or feel like something was disturbing or significant. Any that move me in a particular way I'll interpret it, and it always correlates to something important relating to my own life. However with that being said, that is not to say that all dreams hold significance, and if they do they may not be very important, it varies with each experience.

    I find the more lucid dreams are less important, the ones which I have less control over are. (If I can remember those long enough after waking up.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joehobo View Post
    You sure its a lot T's or just the ones who have that skeptical view?
    I'll have to revise my thinking with you and @INTP responding.

    @agentfurrina Your mention of partner dreamwork reminds me of my collaborative attempts as a preteen with my best friend to try and invade each other's dreams ala Dreamscape. The results were debatable. I think I may give it another go, I haven't talked to him for years.

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    I dream for what feels like all night... some of them are just repeats of a regular day. but in the end, they end up being pretty imaginative and wild... I could write a children's novel based on my dreams. But a lot of the time I need a ridiculous amount of sleep to get all the dreams and other sleep phases in. At least 10 hours lately. Sometimes up to 15. A lot of them don't have any inherent meaning but are a blast. I don't remember what it was last night.... Some really nice dessert with very fudgey brownies that were like over this little swan pond in the middle of the dessert. So then me and all my coworkers dove into the dessert and started floating in the swan pond that looked like a fairy tale. Pale pink sky... We floated down a raft eating brownies with birds chirping through the dawn. It was pleasant. Most of my dreams are like that and often times they are lucid so I can control what I'm doing. But often I can't control the scenery which is even better. Always a surprise around the corner. One time I asked the sparkling magical sand what my best quality was and it shimmered and sparkled with the word "charisma" and then I jumped off to fly over the forest. One time I had a creepy dream where I was flying through a deep enchanted building which looked like some quantum physics. Everything changing shape and form and colors. It was lucid and I ran into my dead grandmother who I miss dearly. Since nothing was how it appeared to be and I was lucid I asked her if her spirit had entered my dream to talk to me. And then she turned into an oxygen mask. And then I went onto the beach which was changing around (more sparkling sand) etc. And asked a coworker what the meaning of the dream was. She said. "violence." And I said. "what do you mean?" She said violence surrounds our lives whether we see it or not. Violent people permeating the world's beliefs including my own where I couldn't understand it but it was in my subconscious on a very deep level. Dreams of ships and water and houses flying over my head. Dreams of deep inner space. Trying to spin but not knowing where I was, (upside down, right side up) in the blackness. Or floating through colorful galaxies while hoping that I don't accidentally bump into a black hole. The list goes on and on.
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    I have dreams and am very capale of drawing personal meaning from them.

    The other night I dreamt i owned a small, humble space station/home orbiting a moon. The physics were shockingly realistic (i had to use airlocks to retrieve a package), and the whole concept was just really really sexy.

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    Dreams have always acted as an additional channel for me to understand what is beyond my surface, subcon. The knowledge I can occasionally draw is so profoundly helpful that for a longtime I was shocked that others don't put much stock in them. When I was 13 I began to struggle with academia for the first time and it was extremely stressful. Up until this point I was just quick with concepts.. had never experienced a conceptual difficulty until I got into proofs with geometry. Unlike many of my friends who had learned how to study and struggle and push themselves beyond their mental scope.. I had never developed any skills to cope with the not-understanding, the fear, and alot of ego that is attached to being quick without effort. This extremely stressful state caused me to dream about proofs one night before a test. Hammering away my brain seemed to pull all the info I did understand and combine it with info I didn't think I even had.Total aha moment upon waking. But the real nectar wasn't that proofs suddenly made sense, It was realizing the rather large deviation between the two, this treasure trove of a subcon that I would later come to tap on many, many times.

    As far as dreams themselves go, I don't know if mine are really so different from other peoples, I have no reference. Others have told me dreams that I would never conjur up and I have done the same. But I have come to understand what dreams hold value, and the general feel or relationship to the dream over the object. Many of mine have a survivalist theme.. they start as a knowing that something is about to happen and trying to get others to see or understand these signs- cooperating and strategizing for optimal survival. Broken buildings and bridges, floods running through main areas, debree from buildings and statues.. and somehow I always know that I will be okay..it is how many people I can bring with me that determines if it moves into positive or negative direction. Honestly, this could be e6 related... Occasionally I have dreams of being able to fly or move underwater without breathing.. and these are a real treat that I hold onto.. a generous gift from the universe.
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