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    Quote Originally Posted by lulabelle View Post
    yes, perfectly said. i have these moments of wanting to be completely absurd + puncture + scramble the tense energy in the room + play with everyone's perceptions of me.

    the only trend i've witnessed for INFP 4w5 partnership is INTJs. i think they provide a certain stability + usually can emphasize with that 'misfit' tortured thing to a degree. i've actually never heard of an INFP 4w5-ENTJ partnership; i imagine it CAN work but it'd have to be a less traditional ENTJ... the ones i've met have been sorta ESTJ-ish in values + lifestyle. this is obviously a vast generalization/probably wrong but i feel like most want either a housewife or a very conventionally ambitious mate. also, i DO like extroverts (if they aren't crazy extroverted) but i am insanely introverted so i just feel like it probably would be too much struggle
    That's the trend I've seen too, although the more I think of it, ISTJs may not be unusual (although the only 4w5 I've known with one got divorced from him). I've seen ESFP too, or e7s in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by lulabelle View Post
    i definitely do have a certain aesthetic taste + appreciate physical beauty but it often is more about the concept/memory/feelingz mix behind it all... it's not really about being present with the beautiful thing for me. i mean, it's a combination but my ISFP friend seems to appreciate physical beauty as it is, right in front of her. like, the colors themselves are super energizing. the sand between her toes is the sand between her toes and it's energizing. she likes to touch people, even those she isn't close to, because she needs that physical sensation. she's much more about the physical thing, the physical presence.
    I can be that way with colors. I saw this faux fur coat recently in this shade I had never quite seen before. It wasn't rust, it wasn't mink - it was this rosy brown shade with a tongue of peach. I went back to the store just to look at the color, although I could not justify buying the coat. Colors and shapes excite me, for sure.

    But I am not steered by a Se mentality though. I don't approach life with a drive to experience sensations and to be in touch with the physical reality. I romanticize it, but when push comes to shove, I am more fascinated by conceptual stuff, and I tire fast of anything which requires me to be engaged with the moment.

    I certainly am much more of an aesthete than any INFP I've known in person, but I relate to their mentality far more than the ISFPs I've known. I also have a real disconnect from my body that I don't see in ISFPs.

    In short, I think some of this is just a matter of interests/tastes, but the overall stronger connection to the physical is more ISFP, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana View Post
    Speaking up for Sensing, I deal poorly with people who won't live in the moment or take time to smell the flowers and appreciate it because that stuff is really important to me. I used to get mad at my ENTJ ex for constantly fidgeting, being distant, tapping at his phone, cooking up unrelated plans at the exact same time when we were actually doing something fun like watching a street performance or out at the beach (granted, he was also a 7 who wanted it all, all the time and was constantly afraid of missing the boat ...) Anyway, there's so much beauty and color and excitement in the world and it really hurts me feelings when the people I love aren't present to that. I like good food (and cooking) and beautiful places and new experiences and it's very important to me to share that with a mate. And I'm getting to the age (god, I sound like a grandma) where impractical people who are incapable of taking care of themselves and lack basic life skills kinda make me roll my eyes.
    Oh, a true ISFP, you are. I'm not very attuned to my senses though I love deep sensual colours. My ISFP roommate is amused by my inability to notice the tangible environment: she considers me fanciful since I pay little attention to my physical needs and she believes she can't survive without them ("it's 3am at night, it's freezing and you want to go hiking?"). OTOH, she's sensual, everything she chooses is rich and she finds it difficult to accept anything inferior to what she experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptive View Post
    Oh, a true ISFP, you are. I'm not very attuned to my senses though I love deep sensual colours. My ISFP roommate is amused by my inability to notice the tangible environment: she considers me fanciful since I pay little attention to my physical needs and she believes she can't survive without them ("it's 3am at night, it's freezing and you want to go hiking?"). OTOH, she's sensual, everything she chooses is rich and she finds it difficult to accept anything inferior to what she experiences.
    I do wonder if my irritation about people not being present, or even worse, dismissive, to me and my "Oooh, look at this, look at that" commentary is the Se-creative corollary of the INFP "people think my quirks and offbeat humor are weird and pointless" theme.

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    There are some INFPs who are actually more INFJ because they think of themselves as Perceivers so they end up INFP but it should be Pi-Dom not Pe-Aux. There are some "introverted ENFPs/Pe-Dom" who are actually also just INFJs. They can't explain why they get along so well with ESTPs, but argue that they are xNFPs.

    And now the normal disclaimer, everybody is individual and complex.

    I still think, if you are going to answer certain questions in a certain way, you will have some similarities with other people. doesn't matter what system it is. that is the only box that you can fit in, it doesn't define all of you. But the theory states that you will most likely still fit in with your dual. However some argue, that the dual is great on paper and at first everything is great, but then gets boring eventually. I guess MBTI's "partner" keeps things interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana View Post
    I do wonder if my irritation about people not being present, or even worse, dismissive, to me and my "Oooh, look at this, look at that" commentary is the Se-creative corollary of the INFP "people think my quirks and offbeat humor are weird and pointless" theme.
    Zooey Deschanel?

    I think you cemented your sensing preference in this line:

    I deal poorly with people who won't live in the moment or take time to smell the flowers and appreciate it because that stuff is really important to me
    INFPs don't live in the moment, they live in their heads. I once walked over my package three times to check the mailbox before realising it was the box on the ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    It was Meyer, the INFP, who married an ISTJ then she said she wouldn't have married Chief had she known about the theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptive View Post
    Zooey Deschanel?

    I think you cemented your sensing preference in this line:



    INFPs don't live in the moment, they live in their heads. I once walked over my package three times to check the mailbox before realising it was the box on the ground.



    It was Meyer, the INFP, who married an ISTJ then she said she wouldn't have married Chief had she known about the theory.
    meyer saying that is so funny to me because it seems that INFP-ISTJ is maybe the most common longterm pairing for INFPs (from what i've seen)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana View Post
    I do wonder if my irritation about people not being present, or even worse, dismissive, to me and my "Oooh, look at this, look at that" commentary is the Se-creative corollary of the INFP "people think my quirks and offbeat humor are weird and pointless" theme.
    constant 'ooh look at this look at that' is VERY ISFP to me. my ISFP friend does this all the time, pointing out pretty colored birds or unique leaves or beautiful light while i'm mainly busy ruminating/daydreaming and tripping over my own feet. i don't know how many INFPs are so irritated at others' inability to be in the moment; this is something we generally really struggle with ourselves. seems to me that you're an ISFP with well-developed Ni

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