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    I am tired of everyone arm-wrestling over the INTJ's ...

    I say the INTJ's need to arm-wrestle for ALL of the NFP's!

    'cause we're awesome ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esoteric Wench View Post
    Does this make sense?
    I you, but no. It didn't explain a why for me.

    (And, I am not in this to say which is better. I have a ... history shall we say ... of pointing out what I think are the potential pitfalls of INTJ - NFP pairing, from the NFP POV.)
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    Quote Originally Posted by lost View Post
    25 pages? I'll say neither but if you must, ENFP with a weak F.
    Thankyou! I wouldn't touch an INTJ with a stick. They're good at giving advice on things and ideas, but not well developed in the relationship department (particularly guys or at least my idea of what a relationship is.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I you, but no. It didn't explain a why for me.

    (And, I am not in this to say which is better. I have a ... history shall we say ... of pointing out what I think are the potential pitfalls of INTJ - NFP pairing, from the NFP POV.)
    Personally, I think it has more to do with both ENFP and INTJ being N-doms. I generally get along with ENTPs and INFJs as well. INFPs, as Fi doms, vibe more like INTPs than ENFPs, to me, with a prickly, judgey core that often gets in the way of their efforts to be nice and accommodating. The ENFP approach to accommodation is to generally assume the best about others, which is kinda how you need to deal with most INTJs, cuz otherwise you're going to assume that INTJs are too cold or arrogant or whatever. The INFP approach to accommodation is as @xenaprincess put it, "It is a little infuriating, but I let it go." INFPs are tolerant, but appear to keep close track of all the negatives and positives. ENFPs gloss over the negatives until a particular individual essentially "proves" to be irredeemably evil.

    Both INFP and ENFP have advantages and disadvantages w/r to INTJs: ENFPs can be too easy to get along with, and real conflict points end up being avoided until they're impossible to avoid, at which point it all blows up. INFPs' prickliness can be an advantage, because it forces the discussion of the more unpleasant matters.

    Of course, in the end, it comes down to having a real relationship with a real human being. Typology helps mostly with respect to figuring out where the other person is coming from: what you do with that information determines whether the relationship has a chance.
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    You can have the ENFPs. Leave the INFPs alone.
    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    In theory, the INFP is ideal for no one. We are the antithesis of the social ideal (which one? most any one), and therefore not what people imagine when they dream of their hypothetical, perfect match.
    I think you guys are pretty much perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xenaprincess View Post
    He is just one intj, and can't be held to represent the whole genome. But I think in general, intjs can be....difficult. I say that with gentle, white gloves. But honestly, you must admit that intjs can be difficult? Of course, any type can be difficult depending on your own personality.
    I said as much at the beginning of the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by xenaprincess View Post
    I can see how infp's could be difficult if you're the type that wants to get stuff done and decided.
    To me, this is best explained by the NiSe/NeSi divide.

    And, interestingly, it's what the Socionics page said about INTJ-ENFP relationships.

    *considers the SFP question again*



    Quote Originally Posted by Esoteric Wench View Post
    Does this make sense?
    I just think it's very simplistic.

    It's the model we all start with.

    I think there's some truth to it.

    But it's not the holy grail.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    (And, I am not in this to say which is better. I have a ... history shall we say ... of pointing out what I think are the potential pitfalls of INTJ - NFP pairing, from the NFP POV.)
    It's called being a hater.

    See: @Turtledove

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I am tired of everyone arm-wrestling over the INTJ's ...

    I say the INTJ's need to arm-wrestle for ALL of the NFP's!

    'cause we're awesome ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I am tired of everyone arm-wrestling over the INTJ's ...

    I say the INTJ's need to arm-wrestle for ALL of the NFP's!

    'cause we're awesome ...
    *repeats same joke*

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I am tired of everyone arm-wrestling over the INTJ's ...

    I say the INTJ's need to arm-wrestle for ALL of the NFP's!

    'cause we're awesome ...
    *repeats same joke*

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    Just posting to see if my post will also dupilcate itself.

    edit: nope

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