User Tag List

Results 1 to 10 of 10

  1. #1
    Senior Member Cloud of Thunder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Enneagram
    4
    Posts
    573

    Default ENFJ and their Ti

    With Introverted Thinking being their inferior function, how does it manifest in the ENFJ's life, whether consciously or unconsciously? How is it different from the INFJ's Ti?

  2. #2
    Glycerine
    Guest

    Default

    I either come off like an insightful genius or an incoherent babbling idiot. I am decent at Ti activities. I can do above average in math but dropped at trig and calculus because i was stressed out (if i did it over again, i am sure that i would get a decent grade), got 90% in symbolic logic, can make fairly strong coherent arguments in persuasive papers (or so my Ti dom profs have said) but ask me to talk about it, I will stare at you like I have no idea. I can usually tell when something is off in someone's logic but I typically have difficulty verbalizing it. Ti makes me very self-conscious and I am almost always afraid of saying something incredibly stupid.

    Although I have met TPs who I have thought were incredibly stupid because they were not rooted in reality. When they are like that, they are the royalty of backtracking especially NTPs LOL

  3. #3
    Senior Member Butterfly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Posts
    201

    Default

    Can I ask something similiar.
    Does logic play a part in ENFJ's decision making? Example, if they have an interest in someone, but they rationalise that it will not work out due to logistical or other reasons (even though they really like the person), then what do they do? Do they decide logically and end it before it starts??

    Also: If an ENFJ likes you, and he moves to another city (for a job assignment eg) for about 3 months. Does being 'out of sight out of mind' apply? Does it mean he will forget you, or will he still pursue you when hes back??

  4. #4
    Senior Member animenagai's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    MBTI
    NeFi
    Enneagram
    4w3
    Posts
    1,573

    Default

    Chimera of Filth

    A gruesome beast with dripping flesh
    Clings to me as a sick fixture
    My throbbing heart it gnawed apart
    It stalks and hunts me through mirrors

  5. #5
    Senior Member Viridian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    MBTI
    IsFJ
    Posts
    3,088

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Can I ask something similiar.
    Does logic play a part in ENFJ's decision making? Example, if they have an interest in someone, but they rationalise that it will not work out due to logistical or other reasons (even though they really like the person), then what do they do? Do they decide logically and end it before it starts??

    Also: If an ENFJ likes you, and he moves to another city (for a job assignment eg) for about 3 months. Does being 'out of sight out of mind' apply? Does it mean he will forget you, or will he still pursue you when hes back??
    Well, every type has the potential to use "logic" in whatever way you may be defining it in your post. Being future-oriented and parental, they might "sever the link" if they believe it won't work out. Each case is a case, though.
    Tentative typing: ISFJ 6w5 or 9w1 (Sp/S[?]).

  6. #6
    garbage
    Guest

    Default

    I'm answering as if I'm ENFJ, because, why not. I might as well, since there ain't a lot of ENFJs around.

    I don't have a problem with logic or even with exercising logic (my degrees are all technical), but overuse of logic for its own sake, pedantry, and searching for lynchpins in arguments makes me want to stab myself. I wind up thinking, "why are we doing this?"

    I have given at least a few lectures on technical subjects (intro to boolean logic, etc.) where even I wasn't paying attention to what I was saying. It's hard to motivate a classroom when I'm not so excited about the stuff myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Can I ask something similiar.
    Does logic play a part in ENFJ's decision making? Example, if they have an interest in someone, but they rationalise that it will not work out due to logistical or other reasons (even though they really like the person), then what do they do? Do they decide logically and end it before it starts??
    Less mature people might think that love has a way of working itself out. Likewise, less mature people can rationalize the hell out of any choice that they make without actually seeking 'truth.'

    In a relationship, we'd have to have pragmatism and logic in the mix. If one wants a relationship, then it's important to ensure that it has a solid foundation. "Is the trust there? Are we progressing or stagnating? Will it actually work out?"

    The logic supports an end, though. The fiancee asked me why I was with her and why I cared about her. I could spill a litany of logical reasons and try to rationalize my choice, but the best explanation was, "I just do." And that was satisfying enough for both of us.

    Also: If an ENFJ likes you, and he moves to another city (for a job assignment eg) for about 3 months. Does being 'out of sight out of mind' apply? Does it mean he will forget you, or will he still pursue you when hes back??
    Three months isn't a long time at all. I'm sure that anyone who halfway gives a crap could wait that long--but then, I've heard plenty of horror stories from my military friends about military folks getting deployed, leaving their wives at home to cheat on them.

    I wouldn't generalize my experiences to everyone or to a specific type, but I met my fiancee when she was living in another city and conducted the relationship long-distance for the first nine months before she moved here. We planned on her moving here, because we both saw potential.

    Oh, and that plan took some logic to recognize and to pull off

  7. #7
    Senior Member sulfit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    6w5 sp/so
    Posts
    492

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud of Thunder View Post
    With Introverted Thinking being their inferior function, how does it manifest in the ENFJ's life, whether consciously or unconsciously? How is it different from the INFJ's Ti?
    Inferior Ti in both ESFJ and ENFJ shows up as being overly negative and critical and wanting to isolate themselves. It's covered here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...f-the-Inferior

  8. #8
    Senior Member sculpting's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    4,226

    Default

    My (limited) observations of the ENFJs I have known..

    About half have been technical, in IT or chemistry or biology and were as clever and logical as anybody else in those fields. They can be decidedly precise and even mechanically inclined, far more than myself. The one rather immature enfj I knew would do something Jung notes as being an Fe dom shadow-she would say TERRIBLY rude things at times, I suspect logical conclusions, and then be seemingly unaware of how offensive they were to people around her. I didnt see it in the others though, so I think it was youth.

  9. #9
    Glycerine
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sulfit View Post
    Inferior Ti in both ESFJ and ENFJ shows up as being overly negative and critical and wanting to isolate themselves. It's covered here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...f-the-Inferior
    Sounds kinda like me. That's why I hate school. Fe can be somewhat useless in academia.

  10. #10
    Unlimited Dancemoves ® AgentF's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    7w6 sx/so
    Socionics
    IEE
    Posts
    1,570

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    If an ENFJ likes you, and he moves to another city (for a job assignment eg) for about 3 months. Does being 'out of sight out of mind' apply? Does it mean he will forget you, or will he still pursue you when hes back??
    hi @Butterfly! (love your name btw)

    in my experience, being 'out of sight out of mind' doesn't matter. at least with the only ENFJ i know. we see each other once/month due to my busy schedule and he's been really patient, having stated that he wants a relationship and will wait as long as he needs to. he's feels very solid and his commitment/loyalty is probably the most attractive thing about him, apart from his social intelligence and depth.

    his confidence in his abilities and our potential doesn't budge, regardless of how little we see each other. it's kinda remarkable...i'm just learning about the type, so it was nice coming across your post. as fellow ENFPs, let's keep each other apprised, shall we?


    *friend request sent!*
    I may be kindly, I am ordinarily gentle, but in my line of business I am obliged to will terribly what I will at all.
    ~ Catherine the Great


    7w6 ❣ sx/so ❤ physical touch ❥ sanguine 70%, choleric 30% ❦

    Johari.

Similar Threads

  1. [ENFJ] So.... do all ENFJ's love talking about themself and their issues?
    By SUPER in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 01-26-2010, 07:37 PM
  2. [ENFJ] ENFJ and ISTP--how can that work?
    By grendiecat in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 06-15-2009, 12:57 PM
  3. [ENFJ] ENFJ and Groups
    By SpottingTrains in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 33
    Last Post: 04-28-2009, 01:34 PM
  4. [ENFJ] ENFJs and Criticism
    By SpottingTrains in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 02-06-2009, 09:12 PM
  5. [ENFJ] Angry/hurt ENFJs and passive-aggressiveness
    By Harlow_Jem in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 11-23-2008, 11:35 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO