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    that sounds exactly right intp.

    and viridian...ughh...watching people either make an ass of them self or be humiliated is horrible! i feel so embarrassed for them! it's so uncomfortable!
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    Only person I ever knew who claimed to be an empath is ISFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    emotions are not internalized states, they are internal states. mirror neurons take whats happening outside and inserting that thing in your head, and making other neurons react to it as if it were happening inside your head, not with someone else. this is exactly what empathy is about.

    if someone smiles and your mirror neurons respond to that, you smile, and because you smile, you feel happy. if someone is anxious and your mirror neurons respond to that, your body will start to act as if you were anxious, and because your get an anxious response, you feel anxious. etc etc and this doesent happen only with simplistic things like those examples, especially with people who have high functioning mirror neuron system, those people are able to mimic more complex things, resulting in more accurate mimicing, resulting in more accurate and more "intruding" feelings of mimicry and thus creating more accurate and intruding feelings of empathy

    learn the basics and then talk(like i said, use google or go read a book), this is just waste of my time
    Yes so you corrected me by saying what I said and modifying your previous statement.. that is, interesting.

    edit: yes thanks for the grammar check, I meant internal of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Interesting... I do also have that kind of "What if that was me?" reaction whenever horror movies are involved, as well as the instinctive response to scary stuff. That's a big part of why I dislike watching horror films - it kind of feels real, in a way...
    Horror movies aren't real. The only thing that really scares me is stuff that's realistic like Zodiac. But even then I'm not so scared I can't watch it, it's just that the Zodiac killer was real, for example.

    Still one of my favorite films.




    Yeah, detachment towards fiction is something I need to work on, as a college student - not necessarily because I have such strong feelings, but because it makes me a bit uncomfortable to analyze someone else's work like that...
    It makes you uncomfortable to analyze someone else's work? Why?



    Maybe it was a trigger? Reminded her of past unhealthy relationships, brought up bad memories?
    No first she was like "well maybe I see love more like Jane Eyre and you see it more like Wuthering Heights, but I think Cathy and Heathcliff's relationship is unhealthy so I don't even want to read it."

    And inwardly I'm thinking, "you stupid child, you only read books you can relate to? And are you passive-aggressively insulting me you twat?" Instead I said, "there's more to Wuthering Heights than Cathy and Heathcliff's relationship, and you'll never know that unless you read it."

    Then she made some excuse about how she only likes to read certain books that she likes. It's fucking ghey. She's about 30 years old and went to grad school. I think she should grow the fuck up.

    We're not really acquainted anymore. Not because of that, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Yes so you corrected me by saying what I said and modifying your previous statement.. that is, interesting.
    i didnt modify my last statement, i just explained further since you didnt understand it properly and started crying something
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i didnt modify my last statement, i just explained further since you didnt understand it properly and started crying something
    You're funny boy. But no, thats not what you did. Thats not what you ever do. You always use obvious cop out strategies and never address the holes in your data or logic. I hope for you you re not an actual peer reviewed scientist because well. I fear the repeated ridicule would be hard on what is obviously already a quite insecure person. And that is, by the way, how you do ad hominem attacks.

    Now I could break down your posts but I fear your delusion of intelligence and biases blind you. Can't be bothered, as you d say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    You're funny boy. But no, thats not what you did. Thats not what you ever do. You always use obvious cop out strategies and never address the holes in your data or logic.
    no thats what you did, you disagreed with me, i explained further, you agreed with me and claimed that i had changed my position, most likely cuz ego tears. show me where i changed my position with this or QQ
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    Why is it immature to only read or watch things you like?

    The point should be about enjoyment... Right?
    Why bother if you don't feel emotionally or intellectually stimulated in a way you enjoy?
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    I think Wuthering Heights is meant to be disturbing, but I wouldn't reject a book because it's disturbing. I like a certain amount of emotional engagement and I'm fascinated by relationships of any kind. For me personally, though, I have come to respect the damage it does to my mood and general outlook to stay too long with or get too wrapped up in dark things. A movie may not be real, but the ideas behind it are real -- someone wishes to portray torture or evil so much that they go to the time and expense of making a movie of it-- just the fact that someone is so delighted with this stuff or think other people will be that they produce it for mass consumption disturbs me and can depress me off and on for the rest of my life. I can critique with the best of them, I think; I know how to disengage and employ critical analysis -- but movies and literature are strictly free time activities in my life, and my choice is to keep it where my equilibrium is not devastated and I'm later haunted by images I'd prefer not to have seen or imagined. If it's great art, I might venture -- but even then, I might not. It's not good for my mental health. Like I said, if you want that from me, you'd have to pay me. I need more incentive than "it's good to experience different things." I agree with the idea, but for me, I've seen and experienced just about all I care to.

    I think I get what you're saying, Marm, about someone who rejects without examining. Maybe it's like my friend from Eritrea who took me to a restaurant serving her native food, which is eaten communally, with the fingers. She was so pleased that I would go there with her. She said other people said No Way as soon as she told them they would not be eating with a knife and fork. I do scorn a provincial mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    Why is it immature to only read or watch things you like?

    The point should be about enjoyment... Right?
    Why bother if you don't feel emotionally or intellectually stimulated in a way you enjoy?
    It's not a genre she doesn't like, though. She reads Jane Austen and Charlotte Bronte...it's not like I was asking her to read horror novels or some sci-fi she wasn't interested in. To me, yes, it seems childish to not be able to detach enough to read critically, and to actually classify a great work like Wuthering Heights (some academics now say it's actually the more mature work than Jane Eyre because it deals with so many levels of human and societal issues, where as in the time it was written it was superficially rejected as being "evil" and "sinful" etc.) based on the relationship between the two characters supposedly being "unhealthy" (WHEN SHE HASN'T EVEN READ THE BOOK) seems very childish to me yes. I wasn't asking her to go outside of her genre, and furthermore, I didn't like that she presumed I only read things that I can relate to, and it made me think she wasn't capable of reading critically. I think it's a great waste if you can't read *about* people/characters you don't relate to, and analyze them critically, or try to understand different viewpoints.

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