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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    Number 2: Being annoying isn't really as important as I thought.

    I was at a girl's night out with a group of women and there was this one chick. She was blabbling (blabbing and babbling) about the most random stuff. blah blah blah kind of extrovert. I thought, wow, this woman is so annoying.

    She ended up making a bunch of close friends in that group. I guess being annoying isn't all bad.
    Okay, I assumed that. The alternative was that you perviously thought that being annoying was an important thing to do to make a good impression. In that case, I needed even more explanation. I do learn a lot from watching other's, especially E's interactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I bet INFPs struggle just as much, probably even more due to introversion.
    But they wouldn't be using Ne the same way, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    But they wouldn't be using Ne the same way, correct?
    Yes, but they're more likely to remain wrapped up in Fi value judgment rather than find external confirmation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    I think the patterns actually exist (the ones I was following) but I missed a few things.

    1. I usually prefer introverts. Other people actually like extroverts. But because I like introverts I was looking at it as if everyone does. Especially because I just realized my introvert preference recently.

    2. Being non annoying isn't really as important as I thought.

    I learned through it, it was just part of my maturing. And apparently it was part of Qlip's too which I find very interesting. I wonder how many enfps struggle with it.
    i think i can relate...i sort of remember consciously deciding to tone down my enthusiasm...i'm pretty excitable by nature but remember thinking when i was younger that it was childish and annoying to behave that way...which i didn't realize at the time but it was probably me trying to "seem" mature when around older people...or something...i kept it in check so much that i actually just became super mellow...not all the time but...generally.
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    to the op tho..no...i guess i don't ever really worry much if people like me. i'm very preoccupied with my own thoughts that its just not something i consider...i guess i am not always sure if people understand me or if i'm expressing myself clearly but the emphasis is more on rather or not we're connecting...it feels mutual not one sided...i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    I've been spending the last couple years coming out of this very long depression that made me into a quasi-INTP.

    I've been getting a lot more social lately, and paranoia has become a prominent feature of my life, and I'm trying to keep it in check. My mind is nearly constantly trying to figure out if certain people like me, and if not, why. It also doesn't help that as I'm coming into my own, I've started to find even more of my ENFP recklessness.

    It's not really a crippling condition because I've learned that it really isn't the end of the world if somebody dislikes you. In fact, if everyone does like you, good chances are you are being a bland doormat. But, it is nearly maddning to me to not know why. Any ENFPs here relate, or anybody else?
    I can sorta relate to this. I swear - ENFPs come into the world thinking...'I love you and you love me and everything is GOOD and Hey! let's have some FUN!!!'... <--- and each and every day we live something takes a chip out of that you know? And it is disorienting. To find out someone doesn't like us it's like..."um..okay...I don't think you are the greatest person on the planet either but I am willing to accept you and yet you won't accept me?" Or when we are looked at funny for maybe being too 'happy' or too 'cooky'...it's like "hey man...I'm not an idiot...Life is short and I sincerely want everyone to seize the day". It is disappointing to be reminded on a daily basis how 'different' you are from others...and it is extraordinarily clear...at least to me...how being an ENFP can lead to incredible social anxiety and paranoia over time. But I am trying very hard to just say F@$* it!!! I am a good person...and my intentions towards others are good...and if people can't see that it is truly their loss...not mine. Like my INTJ father always says..."they don't pay my taxes".

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    ^^ Yes!

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    and...yay! elaur! nice to see ya!
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    Does that mean you like me? Or you don't like me? Or what???? I'M SO CONFUSED

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    @Starry Yeah, straight on there. Except Im just starting to let loose. I need to chamber up a few more 'Fuck it's. It's exhausting. If you mean well, then everything should be gold, right(?) (nobody answer that) Actually, I just learned that there is a punctuation for the rhetorical question mark, my browser doesn't display it properly, and probably neither does yours.

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