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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I'm from the dirty South, son. I'm just putting you in your place.

    You are trolling me, telling me my thoughts are a mess because you don't understand them. That's actually more of an argument for me being ISFP if you don't realize that, Fi/Ni, as opposed to heavy Te structure.

    And I don't see what I said that's so esoteric, and it really has nothing to do with "the world of ideas." I essentially recounted factual occurrences (your behavior toward me in another thread, the status of another SP poster with an exceptionally high post count) ...I agreed that it was possible I could be ESFP rather than ISFP based on Jungian function order and Lenore Thomson/Beebe functional orders (also facts many educated people on these sorts of forums know, not really new or esoteric ideas) and then I said I didn't understand why you said I was putting my self in a box just because I was adding to @KDudes joke about mashed potatoes. He was right on, and I think you didn't get the jokes because English isn't your first language.
    Well, if u r ISFP and u using Fi-Ni, then u r putting yourself in a box.

    How do you get out of a Ni rut?

    I always thought it's exercising and stuff for Se, but seeing the disdainful attitude towards Se around.

    Where is exactly my place?

    EDIT: So right now you should be calling upon thy daemon Ne to defend your weak Ni. According to theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istbkleta View Post
    I know EXACTLY what you mean.

    If I tell you that I am feeling suicidal today and that's why I am killing time here, what would you think this meant?

    Just Curious



    This seems right at first glance. I also know this feeling about struggling with forums.

    Honestly, I wasn't caring that much to begin with. All the arguments I throw at her are full of holes and is mostly Ne dribble. I am waiting to see interesting reactions and maybe find out why she seems different from ISFPs I've seen.

    See how low her external stimulation treshold is - she replies very easily. I don't understand why and I think that phrase is important in determining the average NTP's motivation (when bored).

    As long as everybody's having fun, right
    Yah...I didn't really get what you were saying about killing time.

    What I was saying was that Marm is probably able to react and respond quickly (quite possibly) because she is an introvert...and doesn't have the sense of being cut-off somehow like I often do (being an extrovert online).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istbkleta View Post
    Well, if u r ISFP and u using Fi-Ni, then u r putting yourself in a box.

    How do you get out of a Ni rut?

    I always thought it's exercising and stuff for Se, but seeing the disdainful attitude towards Se around.
    What are you talking about? I've got plenty of Se, and yes I will go crazy if I don't take a walk, get out in the sun, cook some food, eat, go for a swim, etc.

    Right now I'm managing a bunch of animals as I'm posting on the forum, and listening to music.

    Where is exactly my place?
    Humbled, as you apparently of delusions of your own exaltation, son.

    EDIT: So right now you should be calling upon thy daemon Ne to defend your weak Ni. According to theory.
    Maybe you should get out of the house more.

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    This thread took a turn for the really, really fuckin' hilarious. I'd recommend that everyone shut the hell up, but I've unsubscribed anyway and so it doesn't really matter to me.

    Was that constructive enough?

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    What do you mean managing animals?

    Do you live on a farm or work at a pet store or an animal clinic/shelter?

    I am very caring and also humble. People say I am like Mother Theresa.

    I am taking care of some animals while preparing soup for the poor and taking care of some elderly people in my community.

    I take your constructive criticism to heart and will go out of the house.

    Also, I take what I said about you not being hot BACK.

    You are hot (for a woman your size).


    The last one is my gift of humbleness to you, since you were so generous with yours throughout this conversation and my Fe demands I return it

    Please know my intentions are mostly neutral and not malicious - this is truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    This thread took a turn for the really, really fuckin' hilarious. I'd recommend that everyone shut the hell up, but I've unsubscribed anyway and so it doesn't really matter to me.

    Was that constructive enough?
    Hey, not everybody can be as morally strong as you. Stop judging people ... oops

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    Quote Originally Posted by Istbkleta View Post
    What do you mean managing animals?

    Do you live on a farm or work at a pet store or an animal clinic/shelter?
    My work varies from day to day. I do cooking for some elderly/disabled people part-time, privately. I also do sales part-time. Today, there is something going on that I do not wish to go into detail about, but yes I'm managing about 15 animals at the mo.

    I am very caring and also humble. People say I am like Mother Theresa.

    I am taking care of some animals while preparing soup for the poor and taking care of some elderly people in my community.
    I'm not sure what you're even talking about at this point, I'm no Ma Theresa, I'm way too direct and confrontational when need be. I do what's practical and needed in more of an immediate context on the daily, instead of trying to work within a system. This is more natural for my personality, and it fulfills my own need for doing things like cooking creatively and being around pets and of course obtaining money.

    I take your constructive criticism to heart and will go out of the house.

    Also, I take what I said about you not being hot BACK.

    You are hot (for a woman your size).
    For a woman my size? What are you even talking about? I get attention from men daily, I have a lover who satisfies me sexually, I don't need your approval. You're probably some ugly dork fapping behind a screen who can't get a gf who behaves nastily toward women on the Internet who don't meet his personal imaginary ideal.


    The last one is my gift of humbleness to you, since you were so generous with yours throughout this conversation and my Fe demands I return it

    Please know my intentions are mostly neutral and not malicious - this is truth.
    Whatever, I think you're a troll.

    @Istbkleta: just for clarification: my pant size is 4 or small, and 38 DD bra, and medium shirts. I'm sorry large breasts make you feel intimidated, they're not everyone's cup of tea, but if you think I'm a truly large woman, enough to warrant such comments, you've got some serious issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    I would give these tips:

    - Don't make it all negative.
    When people receive several criticisms at once, to their ears, it can start to sound like, "everything you do is wrong". Regardless of what your actual intentions are, people tend to extrapolate from criticism to a wider context, assuming that it is indicative of your views of their overall behaviour/nature/abilities/flaws - which can lead them to become quite upset and/or defensive. Include some (genuine) compliments or the odd bit of positive re-enforcement to show that you do value them. It's also not a good idea to speak in absolutes or with such certainty - this tends to really grate on people (eg. instead you could add in, "I think that it could be..." or, "Maybe you could try...").

    - Remember that there is a difference between honesty and truthfulness.
    You might speak in a way that totally adheres to the facts (truthfulness), but this does not make it the moral or decent thing to say (honesty). This isn't to say that honesty has no need for truth, it most certainly does, but openly stating an unnecessary, harsh fact, when it does nothing to improve the situation, is pointless as well as obnoxious. Try to consider how you can say critical things in a way that softens the blow and makes the information more palatable to the other person. It will make them more receptive to what you have to say.*

    - Constructive criticism must be primarily for the benefit of the other person - not you.
    As @cascadeco said, it's not just an opportunity to bring up all the things about them that annoy you, they do wrong, or that you wish they would change about themselves. You have to ask yourself before saying anything, if telling them this piece of information will genuinely help them (and whether it is your real intention to do so). If it won't, it's just you unloading your frustrations on them, in the guise of constructive criticism (which is incredibly obnoxious and manipulative). If you do want to discuss something about them that is bothering you, make sure you address it as such, and don't try to convince yourself that criticising it is an act of kindness. If you want to do this effectively, remember (that unlike constructive criticism) it is you voicing your issues, not theirs', and accordingly it is better to use "I" and "me" language to describe the problem, rather than "you" (eg. "I feel like..." or, "It's hard for me..." or, "I need...", instead of, "Why can't you..?" or, "You are always...") - this makes it much less confrontational.


    *Hypothetical example: You are in a shop with a woman and she tries on a pair of jeans, which clearly make her look rather fat. She then asks you what you think of them; you shouldn't say, "they make you look fat"; instead you say, "I don't think they really suit you". The latter isn't a lie, it's just a more digestible form of the truth.

    Thank you so much for sharing your insights, you've just given me an incredible wealth of information which I needed to be reminded of!

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    One of the greatest thing which I learned from MBTI is that offering any form of criticism toward an NF (especially from another NF) isn't the best idea as it leads to a greater risk to ruin relationships.

    I felt @Southern Kross has nailed it by highlighting the difference of honesty and truthfulness. Thanks for posting this btw.

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