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    I kinda doubt those people are actually right as often as they claim to believe. I think it's likely to be a combination of 1) legit good people-reading skills and empathy 2) confirmation bias/selective memories/selective interpretation and rationalizing 3) exaggeration to self or others, whether consciously or subconsciously and 4) desire to be part of a "special" group, and overidentifying with (ridiculously) described group traits.

    It's silly but mostly harmless, much like the common INTJ insistence that they are always right. Maybe it's a dom-Ni thing - it seems SO RIGHT in your mind that you wll often end up twisting the facts to suit the "insight" that you had. They may well be right much of the time, depending on the person, but definitely not all the time.

    My best friend is INFJ - he's often right when reading people's intentions, and often wrong - sometimes disastrously, and on a few occasions when it's clear to me that he's misreading the person. That doesn't make him a sensor, it makes him human.

    fwiw, you seem pretty clearly INFJ, and a well-balanced one at that.

    edit: also I see a trend for Ni-doms to state things far more forcefully than they actually believe, so that may be a factor as well.
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    I've noticed that S types, especially mature ones or those with life experience, are actually more accurate about people's intentions than I am. I pretty much suck at knowing people's intentions, or what someone is about; sizing someone up.

    I guess because my Ni is busy looking below the surface finding what is a person's true underlying persona/core, their unconscious substance, is about. This is not intentional on my part, it's just how I am and what I do. Little good this does me in the 'real world,' but I think it does help me to see the essence of a person. And I find that beautiful. Sometimes especially so.
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    In socionics you would probably be a Fi-INFj, so relatively more ISFj-like and feeling-like and IJ-like. Which would explain your feelings. I don't know how such a construct could be translated in MBTI terms.
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    Thanks all.

    @FDG I'm definitely a more ISFJ-like INFJ, and a lot of type 6s are ISFJ or ISTJ, apparently. I don't identify a lot with Fi though (in fact I find it quite hard to comprehend in a lot of ways). But then, I don't know a lot about socionics.

    @AphroditeGoneAwry I think looking below the surface can sometimes get you right to the truth/to the essence of things - and sometimes lead you seriously astray. So, yeah. That's human, too.

    @Randomnity I think you make a very good point about something feeling so right in your head that you can MAKE it right, force it to be right, use its "rightness" as a starting point, and that being an Ni-dom tendency. Personally, I think I also don't like putting myself "out there" to get shot down. Sometimes I reach very definite conclusions about people. I might judge someone harshly and definitively when I've reached a point of real anger and hurt with them. But I'll keep most of it to myself. I may feel very very right and sure about them, but I know it's subjective too. Hard to explain. I guess I hedge my bets a lot.
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    Most of the time I don't get any hunches or anything unusual about people, sometimes when I'm preoccupied with something I don't even notice their physical body standing in front of me and I'm prone to bumping into people. I'm very easily distracted by my thoughts at times. I think of it more like a fart. It happens unexpectedly and without warning that I get some sudden insight. It's not something that happens at will at my command. I'd make a pretty bad psychic. I personally think ENFJs and ENFPs are better at sussing people out. I think first of all they are more interested in them in general... ;D
    I see the whole thing as a sudden unrelated weird piece of information popping up in my head at an unpredictable time. Sometimes I get a very strong impression of someone and if that happens I'm usually right. Most of the time it's just nothing, no impression out of the ordinary. More often than not I don't care about my surroundings and what's going on enough to be even paying attention. Unless I'm relaxing by observing extra intently and intentionally not thinking.

    Now group atmospheres I'm sensitive to and the emotional dynamics in them.

    Generally the whole INFJs are psychic label thing is a huge disservice. It's misleading. That said I'm quite spiritual and have had unusual experiences like hauntings. So what can I say? I think talking about Ni is a "damned if you do damned if you don't" type a deal. Mostly I'd say I'm not so particularly interested in people as to be thinking about them all the time trying to sniff them out anyway, to be brutally honest. I'm more interested in the said archetypes and things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    I kinda doubt those people are actually right as often as they claim to believe. I think it's likely to be a combination of 1) legit good people-reading skills and empathy 2) confirmation bias/selective memories/selective interpretation and rationalizing 3) exaggeration to self or others, whether consciously or subconsciously and 4) desire to be part of a "special" group, and overidentifying with (ridiculously) described group traits.

    It's silly but mostly harmless, much like the common INTJ insistence that they are always right. Maybe it's a dom-Ni thing - it seems SO RIGHT in your mind that you wll often end up twisting the facts to suit the "insight" that you had. They may well be right much of the time, depending on the person, but definitely not all the time.

    My best friend is INFJ - he's often right when reading people's intentions, and often wrong - sometimes disastrously, and on a few occasions when it's clear to me that he's misreading the person. That doesn't make him a sensor, it makes him human.

    fwiw, you seem pretty clearly INFJ, and a well-balanced one at that.

    edit: also I see a trend for Ni-doms to state things far more forcefully than they actually believe, so that may be a factor as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Thanks all.

    @FDG I'm definitely a more ISFJ-like INFJ, and a lot of type 6s are ISFJ or ISTJ, apparently. I don't identify a lot with Fi though (in fact I find it quite hard to comprehend in a lot of ways). But then, I don't know a lot about socionics.
    Like FDG says, there isn't a direct correlation with Socionics. Socionics was built from the ground up as a model for intertype relations, and some of the function definitions are reconfigured towards this. Fi in Socionics is still about a "personal values" system, but when it comes to friends, a lot of it would revolve around forming quiet, strong bonds and shared values. Fe is expressive and conveys feeling at all times. A relationship can dissipate if others aren't receptive. A Fi dominant wouldn't doubt closeness merely because of a lack of external expression. Once they've formed a friendship, it's hard to break. Same goes for enemies. lol

    Something like that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Like FDG says, there isn't a direct correlation with Socionics. Socionics was built from the ground up as a model for intertype relations, and some of the function definitions are reconfigured towards this. Fi in Socionics is still about a "personal values" system, but when it comes to friends, a lot of it would revolve around forming quiet, strong bonds and shared values. Fe is expressive and conveys feeling at all times. A relationship can dissipate if others aren't receptive. A Fi dominant wouldn't doubt closeness merely because of a lack of external expression. Once they've formed a friendship, it's hard to break. Same goes for enemies. lol

    Something like that..
    Ok, I see - hmm, maybe I need to look at socionics a bit more...I do relate (at least somewhat) to what you say about its "Fi" above.
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    I find it slightly annoying though that people tend to define Ni as "things that pop in into Ni doms heads that are just ideas that they take as gospel for some reason cause they are deluded narcissists" It's not like we have ideas so rarely that when we have one we always think it's true.
    So shame on people for being so closed minded and claiming that the whole function is bogus. It's not. nor is it
    I hope that Nardi research continues and actually validates some of the experiences Ni doms experience.
    Here's Dario Nardi's description:

    Introverted Intuiting is more than a font of revelations, realizations, and inspiring visions. It is a cognitive process that we can actively engage to produce a sophisticated result. What happens varies depending on our psychological response when called to engage it.

    Table 4: lifecycle of introverted Intuiting
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    1) strange experience, experience a premonition or strange "knowing", feel pulled to the symbolic, archetypal or mysterious, suddenly realize an "ah ha!" answer out of no where

    2) magical guide, follow a vision or dream of how things will be in the future, rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict or transform, gain a profound realization from a mystical state or catharsis


    3) cognitive tool, freely produce complex insights into problems and issues not yet encountered, enhance oneself for a situation by bringing in other aspects of oneself, foresee results of applying intuitive insights and pre-adjust

    4) growth, catalyst, create by partnering with the unconscious, conceive of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal create transcendent experiences or solutions that transcend a problem


    The “stages” are for organizational purposes and reflect points along a continuum. Typically, if introverted Intuiting is dominant, then stages 1 and 2 show in childhood, stage 3 shows in adolescence and one’s twenties, and stage 4 hopefully shows somewhat later. Where we are is somewhat “fuzzy.” A thirty-something INFJ or INTJ may function at stage 3 on a daily basis, visit stage 4 during peak moments of creativity and leadership, and respond from stage 2 when under stress or playing around. Other personality types mature into introverted Intuiting more slowly and get less successful results. For personality types that use introverted Intuiting as a second, third or sixth function, an adult ENFJ, ENTJ, INFP, INTP, ISFP or ISTP would likely engage introverted Intuiting at stage 1 or 2, with peak moments at 3 if well developed.
    Our human inheritance provides us with instinctual stage 1 experiences. For introverted Intuiting, archetypes and a capacity for mystical experiences are hardwired into the brain. For stage 2, culture provides both socially-normative and alternative ways for us to engage each function. Most “magic guides” such as tarot readers or secret societies are outside mainstream society but the culture provides these for us. In contrast, stage 3 is our personalized cognitive toolbox. It is diverse and sophisticated. We use it toward personal ends, whether to help solve a scientific mystery, creatively build a business, or further develop our human potential. Broadly, usage allows us to solve problems that do not yet exist and provides insights into issues we have not yet faced. (This is “active” foreseeing.) Stage 4 is a synthesis of the others. The result of engaging it shifts people and paradigms, and produces heroic results.

    Note: A person “engages” a function. This does not necessarily mean the person consciously decides to use the function. Rather, the person as an organism or whole system is engaging in the function. A person might engage a function unconsciously. This definition moves us away from thinking of functions as entities or “homunculi” that act separately from the organism.

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