[Jungian Cognitive Functions] Becoming Emotionally Retarded?

[Electric]

Ok, if Ghandi united Muslim fanatic Pakistan and Hindu India, than what else could be achieved with the NF way of thinking. I've been hearing that NFs worry about trivial things, but this is a dumb generalization.

I believe there is way too much emphasis on cold logic now. I don't know if economist have factor feeling(self-actualization) in but economic growth as a highly promoted goal doesn't feel safe. To have economic growth, one is likely to increase the productivity of workers to avoid inflation. By doing this, their will be higher standards and more competition in academics to generate better human resources. This kind of academic is not three dimensional however and promotes legalized slavery in jobs.

I think we're becoming emotionally retarded. I feel that we are becoming sheeple and not people.

But perhaps feeling does not work as overtly as logic does and remains behind the scenes. This is an exception to cult-like, conforming Fe and self-centered, greedy Fi though.

 

[sriv]

Emotional retardation is a psychological response to the manipulation of oneself by people that really know how to use their Fe to target emotion or trigger emotional response. Examples: commercial advertising, sophism, self-pity-ers. It can be a good thing as well as a bad thing.

 

[Kiddo]

There is fuel in the desire to keep up with the Joneses. It's a materialistic desire that has been implanted from a young age into the minds of people. Therefore the more money people make, the more things they learn they absolutely "have" to have. Commercialism can be emotionally stagnant because people easily forget what is really important. It creates slaves of us all.

NFs are at their best when times are bad because we know how to get people back in touch with what is really important. We inherently seem to know what strengths are important and which ones are superficial.

 

[Haphazard]

I'm so far out of the loop that I don't even know the Joneses.

 

[sriv]

That's nothing. I did not even know that the letters in Joneses could even be combined into a word nor did I know what the resulting word meant.

 

[aeon]

Emotional retardation is a psychological response to the manipulation of oneself by people that really know how to use their Fe to target emotion or trigger emotional response.

Fe is a judging function that looks to one's environment for input. It is not something that can be "used" to do things in one's environment, nor manipulate, target, or trigger.


cheers,
Ian

 

[heart]

Century of Self

Along these general themes, The Century of the Self asks deeper questions about the roots and methods of modern consumerism, representative democracy and its implications. It also questions the modern way we see ourselves, the attitude to fashion and superficiality.

The business and, increasingly, the political world uses PR to read and fulfill our desires, to make their products or speeches as pleasing as possible to us. Curtis raises the question of the intentions and roots of this fact. Where once the political process was about engaging people's rational, conscious minds, as well as facilitating their needs as a society, the documentary shows how by employing the tactics of psychoanalysis, politicians appeal to irrational, primitive impulses that have little apparent bearing on issues outside of the narrow self-interest of a consumer population.

He cites a Wall Street banker as saying "We must shift America from a needs- to a desires-culture. People must be trained to desire, to want new things, even before the old have been entirely consumed. [...] Man's desires must overshadow his needs."...

The Disaffected Individual

The political economy of spiritual value is that of the libidinal economy—where value is in general only worth something for one who desires it. It is only worth something inasmuch as it is inscribed in the circuit of desire, of one who only desires what remains irreducible to the commensurability of all values....

 

[Kiddo]

That's nothing. I did not even know that the letters in Joneses could even be combined into a word nor did I know what the resulting word meant.

Ah...well for anyone else who has difficulty...

Keeping up with the Joneses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[heart]

Jonesing on the Jones.

 

[sriv]

Ah...well for anyone else who has difficulty...

Keeping up with the Joneses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lol, never take me seriously.

 

[Electric]

I'm not sure if the ideas of commercialism itself are bad, however, there needs to be a better way to factor in feeling(other than needs) into the economy to promote a better lifestyle. The general idea of economics is that poverty is the worst of crimes to commit and must be eliminated. I somewhat agree with this as millions of Africans and Indians have to live sub-human lives in dangerous climates. The way to do this though has large costs as well as large benefits. The benefits are clearly seen in our standards of living which Africa would be in murder lust over jealousy for. We don't have to preoccupy ourselves with lower basic needs. Hunting and farming have largely been eliminated as jobs.

The costs are seen through the effects from implementation of seemingly flawed methods. Economics is blind to quality(feeling), so it is largely ignored. Whatever economics does can easily influence the people positively or negatively. For example, the events I mentioned above.

I believe when stuff like this happen, the masses of easily manipulated people will turn into sheeple and thus bring down a level of values. They sacrifice part of their humanity for materials of which are absolutely praised for since it encourages capitalism. Such a works comes from the ignorance of the influential business masterminds.

It would be nice if healthy NFs were more ambitious. Although, I wouldn't think many people would understand the poetics.

 

[sunnyraining]

Not having any knowledge of commerce or economics (let alone on a global/huge country scale) I'm going to be brave and take a stab at understanding this haziness.

So far from my understanding:
- Poverty is a tragic situation that is very difficult to solve.
- Millions of Africans/Indians/those living in 3rd world countries live in relative poverty.
- The agrarian lifestyle that supported them no longer does due to grand-scale globalisation, industralisation and commercialisation.
- According to Electric, people then sacrifice their humanity (by that I think you mean values, morals - eg. turning in to greed, survival of the fittest as opposed to cooperation) for materials. This is praised by the principles of capitalism/manipulation on a grand scale.
- The thread's main topic so far is that people are becoming "emotionally retarded" that is that they are losing their humanity due to the competition etc in the workplace.

Am I right so far? (Or totally off the mark - I'm a noob at trying to figure out this lol)

Ok well other points to consider:
- Unfortunately most 3rd world countries don't have the infrastructure in place to raise the quality of living and most people have to find some means to survive.
- In my opinion humanity is still there, in all the grime and the dirt - being a relative optimist I think the will to cooperate/improve living is a seed in the dust. Just needs someone to water and nurture it. Hope comes into this.
- In developed worlds with capitalist economies, my understanding is that the individual is often deleted out of the picture so one sometimes becomes a mindless automaton just pushing papers and punching numbers. Yet I disagree that we are becoming emotionally numb to others/to ourselves ... for the most part it's like the seed in the dust...except that this seed has nurturers whether it be family, friends or the like. (Sort of like two different spheres of existence - the workplace and the private)

(Maybe I'm totally off topic so early apologies)

 

[Electric]

actually, you're quite precise.

EDIT: My posts were not intended to be confusing and I hope it does not demotivated others from discussing.