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    Default Being extremely idealistic and extremely logical at the same time

    Lately I feel like my idealistic and rational tendencies are really clashing and I'm wondering how people deal with this. Like, I really don't want to believe that life is meaningless, but I can't wrap my head around an absolute kind of purpose and goodness.

    any related thoughts?

    (in this category because I'm between being an INFP and INTP--I've been reading about the two types lately and was surprised at how different they seem.)

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    Here's how I see it:

    Life itself is meaningless

    Every person makes their own meaning for what life is

    So, meaning is a human concept. The best saying ever created is, "it is what it is." & what it is is, what it is. Everything is there. It's the task of the human mind to make it worthwhile, by effort, & love.

    There is no absolute purpose, but isn't it better that way? Imagine if there was. Then there'd be someone who was the best at that purpose, & everyone would be competing with him/her. Instead, everyone can do their own thing better than anyone else, as long as they find out what it is.
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    I've heard those ideas over and over but for some reason it's just never clicked with me. not saying it's wrong, I just can't find it not disturbing...the idea that you, on some level, have to trick yourself into believing something is important. you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surtsey View Post
    I've heard those ideas over and over but for some reason it's just never clicked with me. not saying it's wrong, I just can't find it not disturbing...the idea that you, on some level, have to trick yourself into believing something is important. you know?
    Yeah, I know what you mean, but... life is inherently disturbing. I think that's just undeniably true. The way I feel, when I'm at my best, is like someone walking thru a zone of pain & strife, trying to help people out, trying to find the people who are hurting the worst & assisting them toward better times. There's no escaping pain, but you can at least do something worth telling. The point of life to me is to leave a story worth telling.

    Life is a losing battle, but I feel like it's a noble use of your time to go thru helping others have at least a bit of a better time. Life is pain, no doubt... but what's the alternative? The alternative is nothing, which I see no problem with, but as long as I'm around, I just try to make it count. I don't think it's tricking myself, more like "I hope to enjoy my time in this world, so what life is the best way to do that?" I dunno... I would never rule out suicide though. lol...
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    Also, I think a lot of people get backed into corners by all the structures of modern civilized life... when you're living according to someone else's schedule, someone else's priorities, you simply can't do what's important to you. A lot of times you can't even find it because you're too busy fitting into all these preordained structures. So, before you decide that life isn't worth living, at least try to find freedom first, try living in freedom. Because it's extremely surprising, even magical to find out how different things can be when you have some choice over what you can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyDigestion View Post
    Every person makes their own meaning for what life is

    So, meaning is a human concept. The best saying ever created is, "it is what it is." & what it is is, what it is. Everything is there. It's the task of the human mind to make it worthwhile, by effort, & love.

    There is no absolute purpose, but isn't it better that way? Imagine if there was. Then there'd be someone who was the best at that purpose, & everyone would be competing with him/her. Instead, everyone can do their own thing better than anyone else, as long as they find out what it is.
    There is no absolute universal purpose, but there can be absolute individual purposes. The idea is to advance our own purposes while allowing others to do the same. I prefer to think, "it is what it is, but it will become what I make of it".
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    It depends on your definition of 'purpose'. There probably any sort of fated route for you to walk. However, there are probably routes that are more suited to you. routes that make you happy, routes that your talents cater for. I see no problem in aiming for such a route and calling it your purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surtsey View Post
    Lately I feel like my idealistic and rational tendencies are really clashing and I'm wondering how people deal with this. Like, I really don't want to believe that life is meaningless, but I can't wrap my head around an absolute kind of purpose and goodness.

    any related thoughts?

    (in this category because I'm between being an INFP and INTP--I've been reading about the two types lately and was surprised at how different they seem.)
    I have the same issue and I've been wavering between INFP and INTP.

    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyDigestion View Post
    Here's how I see it:

    Life itself is meaningless

    Every person makes their own meaning for what life is

    So, meaning is a human concept. The best saying ever created is, "it is what it is." & what it is is, what it is. Everything is there. It's the task of the human mind to make it worthwhile, by effort, & love.

    There is no absolute purpose, but isn't it better that way? Imagine if there was. Then there'd be someone who was the best at that purpose, & everyone would be competing with him/her. Instead, everyone can do their own thing better than anyone else, as long as they find out what it is.
    I've never thought of it like that but you raise a good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surtsey View Post
    (in this category because I'm between being an INFP and INTP--I've been reading about the two types lately and was surprised at how different they seem.)
    Go to your bookshelf and list the first dozen titles here. Also, being a F does not mean that you can’t have a high IQ or the ability to use logic. By the same token being a T does not mean you are incapable of intense emotion.

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