[NF] Which NF type is the most bullheaded?

[jcloudz]

Infps are sensitive yet can be stubborn with their delusions. you can lead an infp to reality but you cant make him participate. eventually you end up with a fore lorn house cat in your window, on your couch and in your bed until they reconcile with what is.

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[ilovelurking]

My experience has been INFJ. *waits for rotten cabbage to be thrown*

No really.

The initial and obvious reaction is to go with ENFJ, but I have found that ENFJ's are easily moveable with social impact and consequence. I work closely with 2 ENFJ's now, 1 in the past (for 5 years) and they certainly extrovert their demands and expectations easily. However, all of them have come to me in private with dilemas and when I give them my opinion on the way they are perceived (3-ish ability) they quickly change track. However, the INFJ's (if not deterred with confidence or self-esteem issues) are rock fucking solid in their stance. They don't care as much about social perception if they believe it to be right. Bullheaded bastards, most of them. (said with loving undertones, staying power if phenomenal)

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Actually...yes, you are right. *waits for rotten cabbages to be thrown this way instead*

 

[Richardsen]

To me the INFPs ( my experience too) are extremely stubborn and headstrong, maybe not constantly, but im sure that in some situations they can be easily the most fiery when their Fi is threatened.

 

[BAJ]

I admit my experience is limited with ENFJ, but I voted INFP.

I risk job, death, anything. I may be quiet sometimes. I may even agree with you, and then do it my own way. I may even be pleasant, and then fix or redo what you did later.

 

[rav3n]

My experience has been INFJ. *waits for rotten cabbage to be thrown*

No really.

The initial and obvious reaction is to go with ENFJ, but I have found that ENFJ's are easily moveable with social impact and consequence. I work closely with 2 ENFJ's now, 1 in the past (for 5 years) and they certainly extrovert their demands and expectations easily. However, all of them have come to me in private with dilemas and when I give them my opinion on the way they are perceived (3-ish ability) they quickly change track. However, the INFJ's (if not deterred with confidence or self-esteem issues) are rock fucking solid in their stance. They don't care as much about social perception if they believe it to be right. Bullheaded bastards, most of them. (said with loving undertones, staying power if phenomenal)

ENFJs might and can appear to be moveable. But underneath it all, they remain unconvinced.

 

[iwakar]

IME, INFPs.

But I can be damn bullheaded. I don't know if other INFJs are like this or not. I've known so few. Fun, but pointless poll.

 

[SingSmileShine]

It's difficult to say. I'm pretty bull-headed myself, but I really haven't met very many other ENFPs who are quite as bull-headed.

 

[OrangeAppled]

My experience has been INFJ. *waits for rotten cabbage to be thrown*

No really.

The initial and obvious reaction is to go with ENFJ, but I have found that ENFJ's are easily moveable with social impact and consequence. I work closely with 2 ENFJ's now, 1 in the past (for 5 years) and they certainly extrovert their demands and expectations easily. However, all of them have come to me in private with dilemas and when I give them my opinion on the way they are perceived (3-ish ability) they quickly change track. However, the INFJ's (if not deterred with confidence or self-esteem issues) are rock fucking solid in their stance. They don't care as much about social perception if they believe it to be right. Bullheaded bastards, most of them. (said with loving undertones, staying power if phenomenal)

I agree....my observations have been the same.

My general understanding of Fe & Ni also leads me to think that a Fe-dom will tend to be more adaptable to others, seeking to maintain some bridge wherever possible, whereas a Ni-dom will become fixed on their vision & disregard whoever/whatever doesn't go along with it.

 

[iwakar]

It's difficult to say. I'm pretty bull-headed myself, but I really haven't met very many other ENFPs who are quite as bull-headed.

Yanno, my ENFP is extremely rigid about some things. I chalked it up to his shadow ISTJ nurtured by the military. /unsure

 

[skylights]

My general understanding of Fe & Ni also leads me to think that a Fe-dom will tend to be more adaptable to others, seeking to maintain some bridge wherever possible, whereas a Ni-dom will become fixed on their vision & disregard whoever/whatever doesn't go along with it.

that was essentially my thought as well. the Ni vision can be strong and immovable.

Yanno, my ENFP is extremely rigid about some things. I chalked it up to his shadow ISTJ nurtured by the military. /unsure

ENFP who has quieted Ne basically has: black-and-white Fi, directing Te, and static Si.

 

[kyuuei]

I really want to say myself.. but I think even though I basically have horns sprouting out of my own skull, my own bullheaded nature can't represent all of us.

I have to say ENFJ based on my experience.

 

[Sizzling Berry]

I'm voting INFJs.

And it's mostly because of broadness of their stubbornness - sometimes they won't change their minds even about very small details.

 

[Thessaly]

I recently got in a minor fight with an ENFJ, and I apologized in a very sincere manner for our misunderstanding (despite the argument being initiated by him and me being the only hurt party) and he never even acknowledged my apology, let alone accept it and move on. I don't understand it. I've only been able to explain it as stubbornness on his part. It's pretty hurtful being ignored permanently over a trivial argument. It's like...good to know I'm so disposable.

 

[Thessaly]

I voted INFP. When they commit I have no idea how to make them budge. I think ENxxs might be more outwardly stubborn but INxxs are un-influenceable.

You can use our values to manipulate us though. Get crafty.

 

[Usehername]

You can use our values to manipulate us though. Get crafty.

I've tried this. How do you make INFPs budge when they've made a values-based decision that you think is the wrong decision? I try morals and values arguments and it doesn't work.

 

[Neutralpov]

I recently got in a minor fight with an ENFJ, and I apologized in a very sincere manner for our misunderstanding (despite the argument being initiated by him and me being the only hurt party) and he never even acknowledged my apology, let alone accept it and move on. I don't understand it. I've only been able to explain it as stubbornness on his part. It's pretty hurtful being ignored permanently over a trivial argument. It's like...good to know I'm so disposable.

Sorry to hear it Thessaly! They will grow up, I had my doorslam time period in my early twenties before I learned not to do it so willy-nilly.

INFJ for the most stubborn. Agree on the Ni not being influenced. I also think they take it a to a level of being righteous or moral superiority which is harder to underpin.

 

[redacted]

Everyone who said INFJ is so obviously wrong. It's completely ridiculous to think that we are bullheaded; you need to check yo-selves before you wreck yo-selves. Debate me; I dare you!

 

[King sns]

Everyone who said INFJ is so obviously wrong. It's completely ridiculous to think that we are bullheaded; you need to check yo-selves before you wreck yo-selves. Debate me; I dare you!

You personally, are bullheaded, not all INFJ's. More politically correct?



(edit: kidding, of course.. )

 

[BAJ]

Yes, let's start a debate.

 

[William K]

I've tried this. How do you make INFPs budge when they've made a values-based decision that you think is the wrong decision? I try morals and values arguments and it doesn't work.

Does the decision affect just the INFP or the people/environment around the individual? It might help to point out the effects to others that the INFP may not be aware of