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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Well i see objectivity being seeing something as it is and subjectivity being seeing only some sides of it.

    People are unable to see anything as they really are, because to see something as it is, you would have to see EVERYTHING in it and its impossible to not put some sort of subjective view on it. For example if you look at a ball, you can see, yes its a ball, but thats not all there is, the ball is made of molecules that you cant see(and we could take this to quantum physics level also). At the point where you say that molecular structure or the working of quantum mechanics of the ball is irrelevant to the ball, you are taking a subjective view on the ball.
    Not to mention when we see a ball, we are inserting our own understanding of what the ball is, how we feel about balls etc, that cant be taken away, thus preventing us to be objective about the ball.

    In conclusion, people are always subjective and unable of being objective about anything.
    Yeah, yeah, I know. But like Mal said, semantics circle jerks are boring. I think the ob/sub discussion makes for interesting food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Yeah, yeah, I know. But like Mal said, semantics circle jerks are boring. I think the ob/sub discussion makes for interesting food for thought.

    I use the terms daily in my work. They work for me.
    Why use terms that arent fitting right to the situation rather than other terms that are describing what you are teying to communicate way better?
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    lol. not following.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Objective and subjective as terms for functions are pretty crappy imo, since they arent really displaying the true nature of the functions and are misleading. That is unless you do it like jung and redefine subjectivity and objectivity. But if you do that, then you have to explain the definitions for subjectivity and objectivity and people who want the dummy version of MBTI arent willing to go that deep..
    It's no different than labeling functions "judging" and "perceiving" (or variations on same). It's just pop psychology. But we can't all be Geniuses like Jung, and anyway, I prefer Kant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    lol. not following.
    Talking of objectivity when it comes to functions isnt very well fitting term. Complaining about me being nitpicking on semantics doesent change this fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Talking of objectivity when it comes to functions isnt very well fitting term.
    I respectfully disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    It's no different than labeling functions "judging" and "perceiving" (or variations on same). It's just pop psychology. But we can't all be Geniuses like Jung, and anyway, I prefer Kant.
    Its a different thing. Jung gave a new definition for all these terms, subjective, objective, judging, perception when he used them.

    Now when we talk of objectivity in this topic or talk functions being objective or subjective to people unaware of what jung meant with all this, what you say gets a new meaning and differs from what jung said.

    This isnt same when it comes to judging and perception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I respectfully disagree.
    Even without defining objective and subjective as jung defined them? Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I respectfully disagree.
    Same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Its a different thing. Jung gave a new definition for all these terms, subjective, objective, judging, perception when he used them.

    Now when we talk of objectivity in this topic or talk functions being objective or subjective to people unaware of what jung meant with all this, what you say gets a new meaning and differs from what jung said.

    This isnt same when it comes to judging and perception.
    Agreed, but when it comes to Myers-Briggs, pop psychology comes first.
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