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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    ... says the guy not too sure of his type.

    Well.. good thing I don't take it too seriously then.

    I'm not actually very type confused. ENFP has described my inner processes best, so it's my type I guess. My recent (and unvoiced) questions about MBTI is trying to understand the scope of the useful application of the theory, especially when it comes to predicting behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    I'm not actually very type confused. ENFP has described my inner processes best, so it's my type I guess.
    Am I confusing you with someone else, or didn't you call yourself an ISFP 6 months ago?

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    My recent (and unvoiced) questions about MBTI is trying to understand the scope of the useful application of the theory, especially when it comes to predicting behaviour.
    It's not meant to predict behavior.

    It only describes certain ways in which we process information.

    These ways can tend to correlate to certain behaviors, but there are too many other factors in play.

    One's genetics, socio-economic background, life experience, enneagram, et al, all factor into who one is and what one does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    I don't think this is that strange. Since I also live in 'high tech capital' I drove past Apple headquarters after Steve Jobs passed and there was a steady stream of people visiting the little memorial set up for him outside their building. Well into the wee hours.
    in our context, certainly not: the mourning continues and rightfully so. what a loss. (i've thought about starting a thread on the intersection of design, tech and leadership, using his biography as the initial backdrop...)

    anyway, howdy, neighbor!

    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    When I last worked in a corporate environment I thought it was one of the most bizarre workplace environments because there was an undercurrent of "LOVE your job" (in the feelery sense) and the CEO would give these highly emotional and whimsical speeches as well as pleas to employees. It was very confusing for me. I would have preferred either a straight "business is serious business" vibe or else a "let's hug everyone because people's feelings are more important than meeting quarterly projections" vibe. I think for an Fi user who wasn't really plugged into the company's brand or corporate culture, I was a fish out of water. I think an Fe user, regardless of whether or not they cared about the company Kool-Aid would would be much better able to navigate.
    this would also be an awesome topic to explore in another thread...so much b.s. in corporate environments. i'm on my 4th company and, tbh, have not yet found a model of leadership that addresses this. two of the most effective* CEOs i know irl are somewhat Wizard-of-Oz-like in their leadership approach. you'd think their employees would mind but they're quite happy. it may be industry-specific (these are highly profitable videogame companies. and how could they not be happy? one has a hot tub at the office and check out working conditions at the other ).

    anyway. back to the thread: i think one of the last phrases that would be used to describe me in the workplace is "feeler." (this from a woman who has affixed a pair of tiny golden bells to her favorite fringed boots so she sounds like tinkerbell when she walks. ETA: i don't wear those bitches to work.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Am I confusing you with someone else, or didn't you call yourself an ISFP 6 months ago?
    The last year has been explosive for me, growthwise. I may have considered ISFP as a type, and it may have been 6 months ago and at other's suggestions. I believe the only time I've ever actually called myself a type was INTP and ENFP. I had a very tentative INFP phase. Anyway, in my mind it graphs like a strongly conclusive straight line progression.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    It's not meant to predict behavior.

    It only describes certain ways in which we process information.

    These ways can tend to correlate to certain behaviors, but there are too many other factors in play.

    One's genetics, socio-economic background, life experience, enneagram, et al, all factor into who one is and what one does.
    If it wasn't meant in any way to predict behaviour then I think we are all misuing it terribly here. I don't see why anbody would even give MBTI, or any kind of theory or classification system any time of day unless it gave them some insight on how we or others might behave in future situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    If it wasn't meant in any way to predict behaviour then I think we are all misuing it terribly here. I don't see why anbody would even give MBTI, or any kind of theory or classification system any time of day unless it gave them some insight on how we or others might behave in future situations.
    There's a difference between giving "some insight" into behavior and predicting behavior.

    I most certainly think it gives some insight into behavior.

    (I do, however, think many, not all, terribly misuse it on here.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    There's a difference between giving "some insight" into behavior and predicting behavior.

    I most certainly think it gives some insight into behavior.

    (I do, however, think many, not all, terribly misuse it on here.)
    Which is why I'm still trying to.. as I said, "...understand the scope of the useful application of the theory, especially when it comes to predicting behaviour.", i.e. What can it contribute to the process of predicting behaviour?

    A lot of my questions have to do with how accurate MBTI is. It is one thing to call myself ENFP, because there are essentially 16 buckets of how people think and anybody will most likely be more like one than any others, but you can classify things by all kinds of arbtrary catagories. What matters is the usefulness of the catagories. Also, the nature of ascertaining somebody's cognitive functions seems very fuzzy because it's internal. And, how much of the validating theory is actually confirmation bias? I'm not sure how to answer these questions without getting a bead on my own cognitive functions, but then again, I have to ask myself those same questions. This is the point where I decide not to take it too seriously.

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    As I've said before, I'm not entirely sure whether I'm INFJ or INTJ, but much of the time I relate more to the cool-headedness of NT than the effusiveness of NF.

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