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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I can see NFs going bad with a misdirected moral high horse too. That's where you get revolutionary types with crazy ideas & methods.
    What kind of ideas and methods?

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    I just take surprisingly effective pot shots, or freeze people out completely......occasionally take the moral high road, it passes though...some times. Oh and stubborn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    I very much agree with this (especially the bolded). I don't do underhand manipulation, I will go for the brazen, outright guilt trip.
    Funny - I thought guilt-tripping was more of a FJ tactic, like the stereotypical ESFJ Jewish mother...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapse View Post
    What kind of ideas and methods?

    I'm thinking Che Guevara was an NF. Total devotion to extreme ideology, basically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Funny - I thought guilt-tripping was more of a FJ tactic, like the stereotypical ESFJ Jewish mother...
    Not sure.

    Like OA said, It's rarely for my own benefit. It's more like, "what's wrong with you? Think of the starving children in Africa!", which is the sort of thing I pull, say to make my Mum buy Fair trade tea and coffee. Another example is when people say they are opposed to gay marriage I say, "Oh, so you don't believe in equality then?". I do that because I know they do believe in equality but I'm trying to put things in perspective, albeit in a rather obnoxious way.

    I admit, I can be a moral bully on occasion.
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    I wonder if INFJs, more than any other NF, have a sense of being right all the time, not just morally but even logically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud of Thunder View Post
    I wonder if INFJs, more than any other NF, have a sense of being right all the time, not just morally but even logically?

    Guilty as charged. But I am pretty open to another being right if they present a more logical or reasonable explanation. Ni doms usually are fairly receptive to changing their minds (infj more than intj), versus Te doms, for example. Formulating opinions and judgments does take a while, however, as Te and Fe continue to bring fodder home for Ni to process to find The Answer. Our 'stubbornness' comes in (as some of the most stubborn types) because I think once Ni has locked into an idea, it gets comfortable with it, and to change it takes a lot of evidence to the contrary. This might even be more true with Si.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud of Thunder View Post
    I wonder if INFJs, more than any other NF, have a sense of being right all the time, not just morally but even logically?
    I must admit, one of my professors pointed this out to me in a lecture. Logically speaking... yes, I get like this regarding concepts that I know quite well and get quite stubborn that the concept I have of the concept is correct. It's like "No wait, this is how it goes!" In class I would end up asking my teachers and professors if my train of thought was right to confirm that my train of thought indeed was correct. I just wanted to have the correct answer every time I was called on.
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    My boyfriends in college frequently complained that I "made" them do things, when I didn't think I was trying to make them do anything at all. That's still a mystery to me, because apparently I was being manipulative without trying.

    I have also been accused of pulling people's secrets out of them when all I thought I was doing was being a good listener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud of Thunder View Post
    I wonder if INFJs, more than any other NF, have a sense of being right all the time, not just morally but even logically?
    Considering they have Ti as their tertiary function, it wouldn't surprise me. They are also commonly Enneatype Ones and sometimes Fives, who can be quite intellectually contentious.
    Tentative typing: ISFJ 6w5 or 9w1 (Sp/S[?]).

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